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Laurence Journet United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 24 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 May 2017 13:15
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Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2017 13:53
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Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Draw Sunday 28th May, as to the winner I'd be against Clares Rocket & have backed Tyrur Shay. I have the reverse thought's to many it would seem, in that I feel true wides will have an advantage at Towcester. They are few in numbers & with even distribution of seeds will always get their trap.
Edward Fisher Ireland (Verified User) Posts 33 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 May 2017 14:36
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I think the same about the proper wide seeds, Does anyone know why jaytee jet wasn't trialled on Saturday?
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 May 2017 14:41
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Chris Robertson wrote:
Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Draw Sunday 28th May, as to the winner I'd be against Clares Rocket & have backed Tyrur Shay. I have the reverse thought's to many it would seem, in that I feel true wides will have an advantage at Towcester. They are few in numbers & with even distribution of seeds will always get their trap.
Chris i kinda agree with your comment about wide seeds , though imo Towcester is a very tricky course and not all dogs will handle it (Clares Rocket being one of them) so with so few wide seeds if you can find one that does handle the track they could have an advantage .........As for the draw Laurence it is this sunday at 1pm.
Laurence Journet United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 24 Dogs 1 / Races 0 22 May 2017 17:02
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I've backed dorotas woo hoo and will pick one more after the draw, It looks a very fair track and I think your dog will need to get home, I think short runners will be found out,
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 22 May 2017 17:04
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charlie borg wrote:
Chris Robertson wrote:
Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Draw Sunday 28th May, as to the winner I'd be against Clares Rocket & have backed Tyrur Shay. I have the reverse thought's to many it would seem, in that I feel true wides will have an advantage at Towcester. They are few in numbers & with even distribution of seeds will always get their trap.
Chris i kinda agree with your comment about wide seeds , though imo Towcester is a very tricky course and not all dogs will handle it (Clares Rocket being one of them) so with so few wide seeds if you can find one that does handle the track they could have an advantage .........As for the draw Laurence it is this sunday at 1pm.
True wide runners that course the hare are at a massive disadvantage because the track is so wide. What you want is a middle runner and seed it wide.
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2017 18:43
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Peter Dugmore wrote:
charlie borg wrote:
Chris Robertson wrote:
Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Draw Sunday 28th May, as to the winner I'd be against Clares Rocket & have backed Tyrur Shay. I have the reverse thought's to many it would seem, in that I feel true wides will have an advantage at Towcester. They are few in numbers & with even distribution of seeds will always get their trap.
Chris i kinda agree with your comment about wide seeds , though imo Towcester is a very tricky course and not all dogs will handle it (Clares Rocket being one of them) so with so few wide seeds if you can find one that does handle the track they could have an advantage .........As for the draw Laurence it is this sunday at 1pm.
True wide runners that course the hare are at a massive disadvantage because the track is so wide. What you want is a middle runner and seed it wide.
As Charlie has already said it's about running the track whatever the seed, you are on the turn a lot & some dogs need 3 or 4 looks to run it & others just are not suited. Any disadvantage of a wide running further, which is the same at all tracks,to a greater or lesser degree, the plum draw will more than negate that IMO.
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 22 May 2017 19:57
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Chris Robertson wrote:
Peter Dugmore wrote:
charlie borg wrote:
Chris Robertson wrote:
Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Draw Sunday 28th May, as to the winner I'd be against Clares Rocket & have backed Tyrur Shay. I have the reverse thought's to many it would seem, in that I feel true wides will have an advantage at Towcester. They are few in numbers & with even distribution of seeds will always get their trap.
Chris i kinda agree with your comment about wide seeds , though imo Towcester is a very tricky course and not all dogs will handle it (Clares Rocket being one of them) so with so few wide seeds if you can find one that does handle the track they could have an advantage .........As for the draw Laurence it is this sunday at 1pm.
True wide runners that course the hare are at a massive disadvantage because the track is so wide. What you want is a middle runner and seed it wide.
As Charlie has already said it's about running the track whatever the seed, you are on the turn a lot & some dogs need 3 or 4 looks to run it & others just are not suited. Any disadvantage of a wide running further, which is the same at all tracks,to a greater or lesser degree, the plum draw will more than negate that IMO.
What type of runner would not be suited by the track ? I have heard many people make that comment and when quizzed on it, they reply, a dog that runs too wide ! Alot of the "wide" runners at Towcester are middle to rails.
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2017 20:09
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A dog that's not a natural bend runner when in company i.e cannot pick it's line. Towcester is a bend runners track Peter, a dog that cannot run-drive a bend is more disadvantaged at Towcester than any other track I know, due to the width they can drift off to balance themselves.
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 22 May 2017 20:24
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Chris Robertson wrote:
A dog that's not a natural bend runner when in company i.e cannot pick it's line. Towcester is a bend runners track Peter, a dog that cannot run-drive a bend is more disadvantaged at Towcester than any other track I know, due to the width they can drift off to balance themselves.
We will agree to disagree because from my experience, dogs seem to run the bends better because they are not as tight and dogs seem to hold their natural line better when given a clear run. Part of the reason for the lack of entries for the derby is people have not entered their wide runners. It wasn't that long ago that there were lots of ads on here selling wide runners as not suited to racing at Towcester.
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2017 20:50
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Peter Dugmore wrote:
Chris Robertson wrote:
A dog that's not a natural bend runner when in company i.e cannot pick it's line. Towcester is a bend runners track Peter, a dog that cannot run-drive a bend is more disadvantaged at Towcester than any other track I know, due to the width they can drift off to balance themselves.
We will agree to disagree because from my experience, dogs seem to run the bends better because they are not as tight and dogs seem to hold their natural line better when given a clear run. Part of the reason for the lack of entries for the derby is people have not entered their wide runners. It wasn't that long ago that there were lots of ads on here selling wide runners as not suited to racing at Towcester.
Yes we will, but actually you have said what I said there are dogs that are balanced that can run a bend in company & dogs that will only fluently run a bend in a solo trial or with a clear run, when they can pick their line. The more distance that is around a bend the more that is accentuated. Towcester was designed around the bends,then the standard trip & the width was expanded to accommodate 8 dogs & was over wide due to the GBGB overseer.
Pure speculation ref. lack of entries to the Derby, I would suggest that the continual drop in breeding numbers is a more relevant reason & in two years time that will be exacerbated by the current rapidly deteriorating situation in Ireland. An increasing lack of wide runners whatever the breeding numbers. Less breeding ultimately means less top quality dogs & will result in a drop in Derby entries going forward regardless of venue or prize money.
Chris Robertson Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1043 Dogs 28 / Races 0 22 May 2017 20:57
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Laurence Journet wrote:
Does anyone know when the 1st round draw will be drawn, And what are your thoughts as to the winner
Back to the original question as previously said the draw is on Sunday, I believe it's @ 1 o'clock & will be live on Towcester.tv EXTERNAL LINK
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 23 May 2017 05:25
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Dogs that can't run bends are not suited to any track, not just Towcester. Shame they don't run Edgeware straight anymore. Not sure i would waste entry money on a dog that can't run round a bend.
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 May 2017 05:57
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Peter Dugmore wrote:
Dogs that can't run bends are not suited to any track, not just Towcester. Shame they don't run Edgeware straight anymore. Not sure i would waste entry money on a dog that can't run round a bend.
i don't think it's down to a dog not being able to run a bend , IMO it's down to a dog that runs wide can't handle the bend at towcester OVER 500 mts , probably / might be because of were the traps are situated for the 500 metre races i've never actually been there yet , but watching on TV head on it does look strange where the traps are put over the 500
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 23 May 2017 06:58
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charlie borg wrote:
Peter Dugmore wrote:
Dogs that can't run bends are not suited to any track, not just Towcester. Shame they don't run Edgeware straight anymore. Not sure i would waste entry money on a dog that can't run round a bend.
i don't think it's down to a dog not being able to run a bend , IMO it's down to a dog that runs wide can't handle the bend at towcester OVER 500 mts , probably / might be because of were the traps are situated for the 500 metre races i've never actually been there yet , but watching on TV head on it does look strange where the traps are put over the 500
The trap position has nothing to do with the dogs not running the bends. I actually like the position of the traps with so many railers at the track, it gives trap 1 and 2 chance to move over when the other runners head for the rail.
Jason Shufflebotham United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 598 Dogs 8 / Races 1 23 May 2017 08:31
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What channel is towcester t.v on chris
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 May 2017 08:49
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jason shufflebotham wrote:
What channel is towcester t.v on chris
No TV channel Jason it's their own websit EXTERNAL LINK
Charlie Borg Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2016 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 May 2017 08:54
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Peter Dugmore wrote:
charlie borg wrote:
Peter Dugmore wrote:
Dogs that can't run bends are not suited to any track, not just Towcester. Shame they don't run Edgeware straight anymore. Not sure i would waste entry money on a dog that can't run round a bend.
i don't think it's down to a dog not being able to run a bend , IMO it's down to a dog that runs wide can't handle the bend at towcester OVER 500 mts , probably / might be because of were the traps are situated for the 500 metre races i've never actually been there yet , but watching on TV head on it does look strange where the traps are put over the 500
The trap position has nothing to do with the dogs not running the bends. I actually like the position of the traps with so many railers at the track, it gives trap 1 and 2 chance to move over when the other runners head for the rail.
So favoring the inside runners rather than wides wouldn't you agree ?
Peter Dugmore United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 136 Dogs 15 / Races 5 23 May 2017 11:05
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So favoring the inside runners rather than wides wouldn't you agree ?
yes... genuine wide runners can lose at least 5 lengths at each bend and a railer out wide will most likely not get across unless VQA but that has nothing to do with the dogs not running the bends.
Jason Shufflebotham United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 598 Dogs 8 / Races 1 23 May 2017 13:04
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