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grading system
John Sauvage Ireland (Verified User) Posts 269 Dogs 21 / Races 1 27 May 2017 09:53
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just putting it out there. the grading system system in ireland stinks, totally unfair. reason you rear ,train ,get them checked, feed, gallop, vets etc. and then go into grading system totally waiting for racing managers to put you in a race. thenyou have a greyhound who is giving you all he or she has got doing his regular grading timeand suddenly constanting being beaten in say a8 down to a5 races in a1 times doing what he can , trying his best beaten by young pups going down grades after there first run .its absolute disgrace. im not blaming anyone trainers,race managers, buts its the system its wrong,ive seen it time and time again ,if you have a bad dog you know,but a geniune grader runnig his grade going up or down 1 grade without winng.its hard to race. surely its time now to grade unraced pups maybe run 3 races with pups only to find his grade then enter the system properly, or maybe races for non winner of so many races ,the best grade seems to be a3 back they seem to beat each other regular ,but if good enoughyou will win. we are all talk in this sport no action good luck to the good dogs like soccer players cream goes to the top ,but dont forget the small tryer daily doing his best looking for equal opportunity at his level. if the big trainers were in grading company things would move faster you cant make a geniune grader open class whoever you are.
Oisin O Duill (Verified User) Posts 388 Dogs 24 / Races 0 27 May 2017 18:01
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The grading system here is based on the english one, which works well over there because all dogs are tested in each race, that needs to be done here. So the system here is flawed and open to abuse ie. dogs being held back so they will be back graded. ect.
John Sauvage Ireland (Verified User) Posts 269 Dogs 21 / Races 1 29 May 2017 15:04
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Totally agree most sponsored stakes accept back graders. 29 60 dogs here in Ireland are only trap or box fillers for managers laughing at them.Bottom Line nobody cares.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 29 May 2017 17:59
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I sent my grader to England and she has finished 1st and 2nd amongst her first 3 races. She still hasn't broke 30 secs for a 525. It's unlikely she'd ever have been in the first 3 under the IGB grading system in Ireland when she has such limited ability. She is only a novice and needed to build her confidence.
John Sauvage Ireland (Verified User) Posts 269 Dogs 21 / Races 1 29 May 2017 19:13
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At the moment all worries them is shelbourne . The small man with his grader genuine say good few racers and stay in there grade don't matter, just say there useless but there not in England when they find time there called in, here you get dogs finding seconds in a week and nothing said. I believe it's a welfare issue dogs with no chance before there in traps.
Click Cowan United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 837 Dogs 32 / Races 0 29 May 2017 20:49
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FROM A PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE GRADING SYSTEM, EVERYONE HAS MORE INFORMATION NOW THAN THEY EVER HAD, IN DAYS GONE BY UNLESS YOU KEPT YOUR OWN RECORDS YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT FORM THE DOGS YOU WERE IN WITH HAD UNTIL YOU TURNED UP ON RACE NIGHT, WHO OWNED THEM WHO TRAINED THEM ECT ECT,YOU DIDNT KNOW WHAT TRAP YOU WERE IN, BUT IT DIDNT STOP PUPS IMPROVING PAST EXPOSED DOGS OR TIME FINDERS.
I KNOW EXACTLY WERE JOHN IS COMING FROM I HAVE BEEN THAT BOX FILLER MYSELF AND I KNOW ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS GAME HAVE SET OFF FOR THE TRACK KNOWING THAT UNLESS THERE IS TROUBLE IN THERE RACE THERE DOG HAS LITTLE TO NO CHANCE OF WINNING, A SOLUTION AS I SEE IT IS A GOOD RACING MANAGER.
ANY RACING MANAGER CAN MAKE A RACE OF ANY GRADE BECAUSE A DOGS GRADE IS THERE ON THE COMPUTER IN FRONT OF HIM, GOOD RACING MANAGERS CAN MAKE A RACE OF ANY GRADE WERE ALL DOGS HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING, THATS THE DIFFERENCE
Those of us that race in Drumbo are fortunate that we have a Racing manager that knows how to manage his owners as well as the dogs. Too many managers are just down loading dogs and not keeping an eye on who are not getting their winner.
Liam Taylor (Verified User) Posts 517 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2017 00:48
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TOo give grader's a chance of winning a race maybe each track should have a few race's each night for dog's that have at least six or seven race's ran so the manager has a fair idea what grade they are and no backgrader's allowed. Just an idea...
John Sauvage Ireland (Verified User) Posts 269 Dogs 21 / Races 1 30 May 2017 09:43
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Totally agree but I had 2 dogs both genuine 2960 for 525. Both ran good few races one winning the other one not, I. Putting in same effort as a open trainer er and surely the racing managers kn Ow course they do n every week low graders filling cards against upcoming pups jumping 5 grades.
Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2017 09:45
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Should be more non winner races and races for dogs over 4 years of age.
Bobby Irvine Ireland (Verified User) Posts 117 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 May 2017 10:19
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grading system is absolutely useless if racing managers choose to ignore the fact the dogs find 10 lengths from one week to the next
i cant remember the last time i saw a race in a stake won within the grading time of the stake.
T1 one week .T6 the next.its a joke. Racing managers should have a say in seeding dogs. Wide running dogs running from the inside causing carnage. Live trap draws is a must. 3 or 4 qualifying trials to get dogs proper grade. 6 winners and 2 random tested nightly. And maybe some handicap racing to give the slower dogs more racing. Dermot
Laurence Lee Ireland (Verified User) Posts 507 Dogs 2 / Races 0 30 May 2017 14:54
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I think it's a good grading system here at the moment. What else can be done really?Maybe dope test more dogs that are obviously not performing to their best. There's not enough dogs to grade perfectly.
John Sauvage Ireland (Verified User) Posts 269 Dogs 21 / Races 1 30 May 2017 16:48
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Pups should run 3races before going into grading system. Run them against there own after3they should settle in grades, not coming out and beating low genuine graders ,and then either sold on because they can't take on the big boys. To many people saying I'm ok you'd do the same if it was your dog.you join supporters club and half of big boys on committee. The UK system is spot on. Here you pay gallops, trials ,vets, checkers, food, all get money bar the man with his grader com on. there are plenty of graded dogs about ,some managers don't care I've had dogs go out of time others waiting 5 was to run where's my income from them coming from the good dogs pay for themselves they can travel. Sorry to go on but it's not right in GB no entry fees and paid to run
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