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Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 05:22
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the ris itself lacks a fair degree of supporting evidence eg why should an empty out yard be that particular size?
eg how many dogs currently fail gap entry because the dogs didn't get handled enuff when they were pups
eg how many dogs have been found roaming the streets of surburbia because the fences cant keep Ronald ryan in
the reports relied on lack credibility - has anybody found earnie yet?
I believe it is barely year 11 standard assembled the night before it was due for submission
the social licence is mentioned as is the "domestic pet code" (with figures) that shows that very few pet owners adhere to that and there is more
we have contacted our local member and invited her and staff to visit our kennel we are awaiting a reply
you could almost wish that the dog ate the homework
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 19 Jun 2017 05:59
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
Dan Hollywood wrote:
A RIS is deemed to be adequate when it contains analysis that is logical, draws on relevant evidence, is transparent about assumptions made, and is proportionate to the proposals expected effects. The RIS also needs to be clearly written so that it can be a suitable basis for public consultation.
Illogical = Fail No proper evidence = Fail Not transparent = Fail Disproportionate = Fail
Exactly
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 06:08
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4.1 Health management plan
Every establishment must have a health management plan in place which is reviewed annually. Health management plans must be formulated in consultation with a veterinary practitioner. Health management plans must be signed by a veterinary practitioner on an annual basis or whenever there is a change in the veterinary practitioner supporting the establishment, whichever is more frequent. A checklist for the health management plan and guides for developing standard operating procedures (SOPs) can be found a EXTERNAL LINK
Guide to developing a health management plan
Introduction The aim of the health plan is to ensure that all breeding and rearing businesses have a complete set of standard operating procedures (SOP) for the business to ensure the best possible welfare for the animals. The health management plan also aids businesses in maintaining efficiency and therefore promoting positive profit margins. The health management plan must be developed in consultation with and signed off by the business veterinary practitioner to ensure that all practices meet suitable animal health and welfare standards. This checklist is designed to help you develop your standard operating procedures. Once you have developed the procedures, you should make an appointment with your veterinary practitioner to review them. During your discussions with your veterinary practitioner, he/she may require you to alter your procedures/policies to meet the requirements of the Code or to ensure better welfare for your animals. Your health plan must be reviewed and signed off by your veterinary practitioner every 12 months, or whenever you change business veterinary practitioners (whichever is sooner). How to write a standard operating procedure (SOP) SOPs detail regularly recurring work that is conducted by the staff at your breeding or rearing business. SOPs document activities that need to be performed to ensure consistent care of the animals at your business and ensure compliance with the Code. SOPs should be written in a concise, step-by-step, easy-to-read format. The information presented should be clear and uncomplicated. Keep it simple and short. Each step should be easy to follow and leave no doubt as to what is required. You may wish to use a flow chart and/or images to illustrate the process being described. SOPs often include checklists to ensure staff follow the correct procedures when carrying out the activities. SOPs usually start with a purpose: a statement about what the SOP is about and what it is trying to achieve. You may then wish to provide a list of equipment required to carry out the activity. A step-by-step set of tasks should follow this. Below we have provided an example SOP for cleaning a dog pen. Example SOP cleaning dog pen Purpose: This SOP describes the businesss procedure for daily cleaning of the concrete areas of dog pens. It ensures good hygiene and biosecurity practices. All staff assigned this task must follow this SOP. Equipment: Overalls/apron Boots Hose Bucket Disinfectant (product xx to be used at a concentration of xxxm/L) Faeces scoop Refuse bin
Procedure Before carrying out this procedure, complete daily health check of dogs under SOP Daily health check. Step 1: Remove dog from concreted area into exercise/outdoor area of pen. Step 2: Place bedding and food/water bowls into laneway. Step 3: Pick up any faeces and leftover food and discard in refuse bin (ensure bin contains a plastic liner first). Note any loose stools, blood or vomit. Step 4: Add disinfectant to bucket and fill with water from hose. Step 5: Pour disinfectant over the areas of the pen that contained faeces and soiled food. Step 6: Hose concrete area thoroughly to ensure no disinfectant or evidence of soiling remains. Step 7: Wash food and water bowls and refill water. See SOP Feeding for food requirements. Step 8: Place food/water bowls and bed back in pen. Step 9: Open gate into concreted area to allow dog access to its bed and food/water. Step 10: Record cleaning date, time and employee signature on pen card/shed book. Note any loose stools, blood, vomit or other abnormalities in the record and take action where appropriate. See SOP Daily health check. Business policies In addition to SOPs, your business may need a set of general policies that ensure all staff know what to do under all circumstances. For example, you may have a policy regarding whether non-business animals are allowed on the property or not a biosecurity policy which is accompanied by a biosecurity SOP that details what to do in the event that someone brings an unknown animal onto your property. Policies generally consist of a general statement about what the policy covers and then some general rules relating to that policy. For example: External animal policy No dog or cat not associated with this business is allowed to pass the front reception counter. Customers, workers, contractors, etc. are asked not to bring their animals into the facility to maintain good biosecurity. A notice to this effect is placed on the front gate and in the window of the reception area. People who do bring their animals on the property will be asked to leave them in their cars (weather permitting) or tied up outside the reception area. If an external animal passes the reception point they should be intercepted as soon as possible and the Biosecurity SOP enacted. Health management plan checklist The Code requires that all breeding and rearing businesses address the following topics in their health management plans. Depending on the business type, not all of these areas will need to be covered. Biosecurity/visitor entry biosecurity protocols/SOP for visitors to the business (e.g. foot baths, hand washing equipment, etc.) visitor entry protocols/SOP (where are visitors allowed; do they require specific foot wear; are the toilet facilities provided for them; can they bring their own animals) SOPs for disease outbreaks: both common and less common diseases. Recognise that some diseases, while unlikely to occur given good biosecurity, can be highly infectious, so these protocols/SOPs need to include restrictions on movement of animals and staff staff health information protocols/SOP and procedures in the event of injury, disease or accident. New animals assessment for admission of new breeding animals to the business isolation/quarantine procedures/SOPs for new animals.   Facility management staffing rosters exercise management protocols/SOPs detailing staffing roster, areas of the business to be exercised in order, what to do in wet weather, etc. scheduling of veterinary health checks, vaccinations, microchipping, etc. scheduling of grooming general contacts list, including veterinary practitioners, feed supply companies, groomers, etc. hygiene, disinfection and disease prevention (this includes daily cleaning, watering and feeding routines, schedules, etc.) development and prominent display of emergency response plans for both humans and animals including evacuation procedures at the business protocols/SOPs for management of isolation facilities (if applicable) protocols/SOPs for risk assessments of housing and exercise areas and risk management plan/s protocols/SOPs for movements of animals between different areas of the facility; for example, general housing to whelping/lactating areas; colony cages to queening modules, etc. insect, ectoparasite and vertebrate pest control/management protocols/SOPs food preparation and storage protocols/SOPs record keeping protocols/SOPs for all levels of record management
Animal health care protocols/SOPs for provision of appropriate diet and feeding frequency for all animals at the business by age/breeding status classification protocols/SOPs for provision of water protocols/SOPs for vaccination programs use Code as a guide and discuss with your veterinary practitioner to finalise protocols/SOPs for parasite prevention including screening for ear mites protocols/SOPs for investigation of any animals with symptoms of giardia protocols/SOPs to meet grooming requirements protocols/SOPs for general daily health, behavioural and welfare assessment protocols/SOPs for assessment programs for the health and welfare of animals being reared for sale or as replacement breeding animals animal health/welfare issues SOP (a what do I do? guide/flowchart/SOP for staff who identify an issue with an animal) approved methods of humane euthanasia for emergency situations (still requires verbal approval by a veterinary practitioner before being carried out)(optional) Breeding protocols/SOPs for mating protocols/SOPs for pregnancy detection protocols/SOPs for birthing protocols/SOPs for lactation management protocols/SOPs for weaning protocols/SOPs for determining the suitability for breeding of animals within the business. Exercise, socialisation, enrichment and handling protocols/SOPs and rosters for exercise management protocols/SOPs and rosters for socialisation and handling management protocols/SOPs and rosters for enrichment management, including rotation and disinfection of toys/enrichment items. Retirement protocols/ SOPs for desexing and/or long term fertility management protocols/SOPs for assessing suitability for rehoming or euthanasia of retired breeding animals protocols/SOPs for finding suitable homes for retired animals. Sale preparation health assessment for kittens before sale (where the business undertakes vaccination of kittens) vaccination protocols/SOPs for puppies and kittens before sale protocol for providing new purchaser information pack, health/vaccination certificates, desexing certificates (where appropriate), microchip registration certificates and transfer forms, etc.
Animal return protocol for obtaining veterinary documentation (where required) for animals being returned to the business protocol for quarantine (may be general quarantine SOP) for animals being returned to the business protocols for assessment for resale and policies regarding animals deemed not suitable for resale protocol for refund payments. Risk assessments complete animal safety risk assessments on all areas of the facility in which animals are held (even for just short periods of time). You should be looking for areas where animals can injure themselves, areas where they could escape and areas where they could ingest items that may be detrimental to their health and welfare complete staff/human safety assessment risk for all areas of the facility
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 Jun 2017 06:29
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Joe Baldacchino wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of an independent legal challenge.
Good luck with that Joe, and by the way, it is the only way.
i know it is a political game too, but surely a legal challenge to all these restrictions and guidelines etc. in both nsw and vic would be mandatory to stop this constant victimisation.
restriction of trade and the fact that no other animal industry has to jump through all these hoops are good starting points for fighting this in court.
i know there are costs etc. but there must be lawyers willing to have a crack at something like this cause our industry is being smashed to pieces by a bunch of arseholes with zero consience imo.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 19 Jun 2017 06:32
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health management plan?
what a crock of shite!
this is pathetic.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 Jun 2017 06:38
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My favourite is 'Housing acclimatization program'
Does each kennel need their own air conditioning zone??
This is what happens when bureaucrats with a lack of interest in the outcome are running the show.
Tor Janes Australia (Verified User) Posts 10024 Dogs 16 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 06:40
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Someone is making big money from this proposed new code and it isnt the sport of racing, its leeches around the edges that dont contribute to it, those that live off making procedures for a living, academics with no other purpose now they found one and they have it like a dog with a bone.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 07:11
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This the link to the Regulatory Impact Statement (RIS) .It provides the background working of the Draft code and the GRV's responses.
EXTERNAL LINK This is NSW all over again - you really don't need to go past the Executive Summary starting on page 6 to realise the same flawed arguments/reasons are being relied upon to introduce the code. Academics playing with facts and numbers on a spreadsheet - pretty sad actually.
Dan Walker Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 12 / Races 67 19 Jun 2017 07:26
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I would be interested to know if the same stringent criteria for the keeping of Thoroughbred and Standardbred horses is in place.
If not I would be screaming from the roof tops for its introduction.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 19 Jun 2017 07:34
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ian bradshaw wrote:
4.1 Health management plan
Am currently in the process of building a private quarantine import facility where there will be strict quarantine and bio-security in place. Other than having well constructed buildings, to stay pathogen free you need to be confident and trust your staff do the right thing to eliminate any risk of contamination. Its obvious that GRV have zero trust in the states participants and like any other corporation, governments included they look after their own necks. Those that have put a lifetime into their passion for their hounds means nothing to those who in 10 years time will just simply apply for another job behind a desk.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 07:35
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I take it that EVERY Vet in Victoria is on board, and AGREES with all these proposals?? And are HAPPY to be on 24hr call?? Here in NSW last year, they (GRNSW) put forward any Greyhound that die's or is found deceased on your Property, from Snakebite, Paralysis Tick, Paddock Accident etc MUST be taken to your Vet and placed in a freezer before an Autopsy if they so desired. Never reached past the Front office door. These protocols should/would be laughable, if placed in their correct context. I feel some Organisation has been grossly over paid, to deliver a reform package. Supplying copious amounts of Red/Tape with precious little valued new information. (Govt's love quantity of rhetoric)
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 19 Jun 2017 07:47
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 19 Jun 2017 08:07
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You know what really scares me...............they actually believe their own spin, whether it is GRV or the government.
To little to late by groups like GOTBA, NGRU, ETC, ETC. This goes back years when others were in power and nothing was done, no words were spoken. No one raised a voice or made some waves. do not rock the boat they said. Well, now the boat is sinking and people are making some noise.
Where was some noise when the live baiting issue happened that has generated this over reaction that continues years later, were members supported or used as sacrificial lambs to slaughter to supposedly save the industry or was it just to protect the 400 million, some people know. Did everyone go to ground protecting their own interest? Who knows but let me say that obviously they have not learnt the lesson of Mike Baird and Troy Grant. Salt of the earth people will win the day!
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 08:58
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Dan Walker wrote:
I would be interested to know if the same stringent criteria for the keeping of Thoroughbred and Standardbred horses is in place.
If not I would be screaming from the roof tops for its introduction.
weve read the horse code too revised may 2017 and compared to the dogs its a breeze. on the last page they provide diagrams on how to shoot them
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 19 Jun 2017 09:14
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1439 Dogs 24 / Races 126 19 Jun 2017 10:11
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Hold on for a minute, Head of GRV compliance mr Ken Waixel stated on camera GRV had no involvment in the code (that it was all governments doing) and that GRV could not get involved only carry out the policy
It's clear who is lying !
Johnathon Campbell Australia (Verified User) Posts 4635 Dogs 5 / Races 2 19 Jun 2017 10:29
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The rules will keep getting rolled out until you are all gone. In the meantime I'll send a couple of old horses off the the meat works or I could just shoot them in a hole in the paddock no ones going to question it!! Really the industry keeps complaining no one has stood up to lead us and it's truly a big joke. Sorry but it is.
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1439 Dogs 24 / Races 126 19 Jun 2017 10:33
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Thankyou GRV for your comment/input and support
Impact on small owners (those who had less than 9 greyhounds wh o made a start) For an owner, there is most likely to be a $12 to $13 increase in rearing costs per dog per week for 36 weeks and around a $49 increase in training costs per week per dog for 12 weeks. The additional cost per dog is therefore likely to be ar ound $450 for rearing and around $588 for training, over their lifetime. Additionally, there is also the direct cost to owners from rehoming reforms and the transfer of responsibility of rehabilitation of dogsto owners at a cost of around $512 per dog under proposed Standard 6.3.12 a total increase of around $1,550 per dog over its lifetime. For large owners made up of as many as ten syndicate members (on advice from GRV) this is not likely to constitute an impost. For small owners with less than 9 greyhounds then this could result in a larger proportionate burden. However even for small owners a rise in cost by $1,550 per dog over their lifetime (including the cost of rehabilitation) represents a 7.8% increase from the average estimated costs of ownership. It is unclear if this will reduce involvement in the industry. Importantly, unlike large owners,small owners are more likely to participate in the industry as a hobby, not for the winnings and earnings.
Impact on competition The markets affected by the proposed Code are predominantly those for greyhound breeding, training and ownership. Keeping in line with the discussion of impacts on small establishments, the proposed Code is highly unlikely to have an impact on the number or size of participants in relevant markets. According to DEDJTR,the proposed Code is not expected to affect the costs of an establishment (even small es tablishments) sufficiently or in an ongoing way as to create any significant impact on competition, including any barriers to entry. According to DEDJTR, breeders and trainers are expect ed to fully pass on any cost increased rearing and training (of around $1,100 per dog) to owners. With respect to owners DEDJTR notes that it is unlikely an increase of cost of $1,100 in rearing and training and $512 for rehabilitation per dog over its lifetime will affect decisions of small owners(consumers) to participate in an adverse way given the hobby/social status of owning a greyhound. Given that 97.5% of unique owners are considered to be small then this cost increase is expected to affect all owners equally and therefore the proposed Code is not considered to be a restriction on competition in relation to greyhound ownership.
Comment by GRV; GRV Industry Reform Initiatives It should also be noted that the economic impact may also be further reduced through the many reform initiatives currently being delivered by GRV. These initiatives are already driving improved animal welfare outcomes and improved participant behaviour.
Dan Walker Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 12 / Races 67 19 Jun 2017 10:50
Well Neil Mitchell has put his hand up as a right nutter.How about we ban Football Neil.C'mon it actually kills and maims human beings,get your priorities in order Neil.Or how about Horse Racing Neil,it kills and maims people too,surely it has to go before Greyhound Racing.
Kane Palmer Australia (Verified User) Posts 42 Dogs 1 / Races 0 19 Jun 2017 19:35
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I honestly think if this goes through in Victoria, the flow on affect will be all states. Closure by stealth, or attempted stealth anyway. Cheers Carly