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GRV - Proposed Breeding Incentive & Prizemoney page  1 2 3 4 

Terry Jordan
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Agree with Geoff Collins re: Timing! coincidental? or maybe a little Blackmail. Accept the Final COP draft in 2 weeks. To receive the sweetner of Prizemoney incentives. Gee there is some nasties in that Draft proposal.


Darren Langley
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02 Aug 2017 21:19


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james saunders wrote:

No excuses.We up here which last time I remembered supplied most of the countries dogs have been treated as complete asshol''s and have just come out of a situation people in other states could only imagine.Treated worse than paedophiles and now its tally ho and away we go.No thanks let them come to us.Hope you breed a good one Daz you deserve it.

James no doubt you guys were treated very badly it was a disgrace. Our industry needs every state and territories to operate so we can get stronger and stronger.

I'm not sure what anyone can do about the past but every participant can have a say what happens in the future. I'm sure there's going to be a lot more changes some good and some bad.

As you know it's a bloody tough industry to be in most would not even break even ( like us ) but we dream one day we might just get that special dog.




Trevor John Rhodes
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02 Aug 2017 21:49


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I'm probably not qualified o comment because I've only been in the industry for 5 minutes. It only takes 7 years to become a doctors , just saying.
I'm not partly to blame for our situation,by the way.
GA charging $180 for a DNA kit which I could get on Ancestryy.com for thirty bucks is a disincentive. Restricting proven broods to three litters, four if you jump through the hoops, is a disincentive. The Vic code of practice, if it gets up, will be the biggest disincentive to breeding and owning dogs.
Remove the disincentives, get a real national body with a bit of vision not the unaccountable GA breeding logistics management business. I see nothing GA does that couldn't be done by a first year IT person apart from meeting with peak bodies like AA and Grey2k.
New participants and juniors like me look at return on investment, any $ incentive is a step forward. GRV are trying but appear to have been a bit stingy on this attempt.



Darren Langley
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03 Aug 2017 00:48


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Trevor John Rhodes wrote:

I'm probably not qualified o comment because I've only been in the industry for 5 minutes. It only takes 7 years to become a doctors , just saying.
I'm not partly to blame for our situation,by the way.
GA charging $180 for a DNA kit which I could get on Ancestryy.com for thirty bucks is a disincentive. Restricting proven broods to three litters, four if you jump through the hoops, is a disincentive. The Vic code of practice, if it gets up, will be the biggest disincentive to breeding and owning dogs.
Remove the disincentives, get a real national body with a bit of vision not the unaccountable GA breeding logistics management business. I see nothing GA does that couldn't be done by a first year IT person apart from meeting with peak bodies like AA and Grey2k.
New participants and juniors like me look at return on investment, any $ incentive is a step forward. GRV are trying but appear to have been a bit stingy on this attempt.

Trevor since you have only been in the game for 5 minutes let me tell you this. DNA was a game changer. If know any old timers ask them about the good old days re stud dogs.

As for $180 for DNA it's a piss in the ocean on what you pay to get a pup to race day.
You can pay upto 10k plus.


Peter Hooper
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03 Aug 2017 07:44


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Darren Langley wrote:

Trevor John Rhodes wrote:

I'm probably not qualified o comment because I've only been in the industry for 5 minutes. It only takes 7 years to become a doctors , just saying.
I'm not partly to blame for our situation,by the way.
GA charging $180 for a DNA kit which I could get on Ancestryy.com for thirty bucks is a disincentive. Restricting proven broods to three litters, four if you jump through the hoops, is a disincentive. The Vic code of practice, if it gets up, will be the biggest disincentive to breeding and owning dogs.
Remove the disincentives, get a real national body with a bit of vision not the unaccountable GA breeding logistics management business. I see nothing GA does that couldn't be done by a first year IT person apart from meeting with peak bodies like AA and Grey2k.
New participants and juniors like me look at return on investment, any $ incentive is a step forward. GRV are trying but appear to have been a bit stingy on this attempt.

Trevor since you have only been in the game for 5 minutes let me tell you this. DNA was a game changer. If know any old timers ask them about the good old days re stud dogs.

As for $180 for DNA it's a piss in the ocean on what you pay to get a pup to race day.
You can pay upto 10k plus.

Haha I think Trevor is quite aware what it costs to get a pup to the track, he's a bloke who has bred some nice pups/race dogs and the sort of bloke who the industry can't afford to lose, as he backs his judgement and isn't afraid to back it up with $$$ to see it through, but like everyone I'd say ( only guessing)he'd like to see a bright future for the industry and a chance of reasonable returns on investment.
Too many rules and regulations are red tape are only going to turn people away, even if they love the dogs.



Trevor John Rhodes
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03 Aug 2017 09:05


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Hoop, yes I've had a bit luck in my short time.
Disincentives will stop me quicker than incentives will motivate me. Bureaucrats will always be more skilled at stopping something than starting it.
DNA is essential but GA putting the price up while GRV are trying to get breeding going indicates a disconnect.
It's not the dollars its the principle. GA could be dissolved tomorrow, the States could step up and do their work without putting on any extra employees.




Peter Hooper
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03 Aug 2017 09:19


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Yeah agree Trev, the whole thing just needs some common sense injected into the equation, but I'm afraid that doesn't look like happening.
It doesn't need a heap of new rules and regulations or more costs introduced.
Yes we need the welfare of the dogs to be a high priority, but we need this to be in the form of what condition the dogs are in, healthy and happy is really what it's all about.
I wish people could see no matter what we do the anti groups want nothing less than full closure, so why we are pandering to them has got me beaten.
We have to start looking after the participants or eventually they won't be there.


Kev Galloway
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03 Aug 2017 10:06


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peter hooper wrote:

Yeah agree Trev, the whole thing just needs some common sense injected into the equation, but I'm afraid that doesn't look like happening.
It doesn't need a heap of new rules and regulations or more costs introduced.
Yes we need the welfare of the dogs to be a high priority, but we need this to be in the form of what condition the dogs are in, healthy and happy is really what it's all about.
I wish people could see no matter what we do the anti groups want nothing less than full closure, so why we are pandering to them has got me beaten.
We have to start looking after the participants or eventually they won't be there.

The problem is,it's the anti groups plus(thoroughbred aligned state administrators who have made up the Greyhounds Australasia Board)making Grey2K rules for the greyhound industry .


Peter MacLeod
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06 Aug 2017 06:54


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The biggest load of white wash to cover up reducing the majority of stake money across the board caused by a ridiculously high Travel/Starters fee. A trainer taking 10 dogs to a city meeting gets $1200 GET REAL, its supposed to cover travel expenses, I believe that's what it was originally set up to do.
Yes there are other issues like Breeders incentive and what about the OWNERS all they are getting out of this is being screwed.
The only one that really wins is the trainer.



Ian Bradshaw
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07 Aug 2017 06:43


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The GRV just doesn't seem to get it.

If I was running a business and watched my customer base ( future racing dogs ), decline by around 60% over the past 3 years, I would throw all my resources at getting the breeding numbers up... not re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with absurd starters fees and juggling prize monies.

Minimize fees for breeders, and for those that go through the Pink Card process and never make use of the Card, refund their fees and DNA costs.

If they don't get more pups on the ground , they will not have to worry about starters fees.....because there will not be enough starters for them to stay in business!


Paul Wheeler
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07 Aug 2017 07:10


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In my opinion the best way to help the industry and have a fairer system for the majority .
Would be scrap the proposed starters fee as advertised .
The 3 million dollars increase would be better added to the minor placings at all tracks , 2nd , 3rd and maybe 4th and leave 1st place as it is now

Paw



Michael Barry
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07 Aug 2017 07:34


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who, asked them to increase starters FEES ?


Geoff Collins
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07 Aug 2017 09:03


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Mick the draft says that the trainer is being paid for the greyhounds they produce for racing and to cover the costs of travel and the associated care and up-keep because they do not receive training fees from owners and are training on a 50/50 spilt of prizemoney arrangement with the owners in lieu of training fees.

But thats misguided, as in reality trainers dont produce greyhounds for racing breeders and owners do so who is more in need of financial support .. by the time a pup reaches a trainer, the breeder/owner is out of pocket $6k to $10k and needs the pup in question to earn $12k/$20k before they break even, while the trainer has only to cover running expenses before turning a profit.

There is nothing easy about any aspect of greyhound husbandry and it is really important that we remember the difficulties we all face but the breeder and the owner are getting the rough end of the deal here - by a long way



Trevor John Rhodes
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07 Aug 2017 09:41


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Agree. Starters fees are a training incentive, nothing wrong with that, it might attract a few new trainers. Not much there to incentivise existing breeders and nothing to attract new ones.


Michael Barry
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07 Aug 2017 22:52


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so is GRV's theory we are short of Trainers ?

i thought with breeding down some 60% we were getting short on dogs , but apparently not ,

i would have thought good trainers are doing well with the current system in VIC


Jeff Crawford
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08 Aug 2017 08:51


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I think the 'starters fee' increase is simply a case of enticement for the trainer to run the dogs more often to make up for the decrease of product supplied.....i.e.: half the dogs race twice as much, resulting in no decline in race fields/meetings.

Problem is the risk of the product being 'bastardised' for the trainer to make money without earning prizemoney and the likelihood of more short course racing.


Sandro Bechini
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08 Aug 2017 08:54


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All of our current administrators are collectively a group of short sighted no hopers

They fail to address fundamental issues in the sport

They take forever to make any decision on important issues like grading, chasing motivation systems, track safety, the drop in breeding, improving the distance range of greyhounds, provision of training facilities and funding intra-industry welfare organizations

They sit on their hands, raise costs, bury everybody in bureaucratic paperwork, make the most inane decisions all designed to ensure that the racing pool of greyhounds and trainers is diminished and reduced to a band of a handful of trainers racing short coursers who will race 2 to 3 times per week



Mark Staines
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08 Aug 2017 14:19


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All of our current administrators are a bunch of
"NON CHASERS" as a result the current pool of "RACING GREYHOUNDS" is fast becoming a pool of "NONNIES".


Kev Galloway
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08 Aug 2017 21:13


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

All of our current administrators are collectively a group of short sighted no hopers

They fail to address fundamental issues in the sport

They take forever to make any decision on important issues like grading, chasing motivation systems, track safety, the drop in breeding, improving the distance range of greyhounds, provision of training facilities and funding intra-industry welfare organizations

They sit on their hands, raise costs, bury everybody in bureaucratic paperwork, make the most inane decisions all designed to ensure that the racing pool of greyhounds and trainers is diminished and reduced to a band of a handful of trainers racing short coursers who will race 2 to 3 times per week


And that's the agenda of the Grey2K clones at Greyhounds Australasia, make no mistake.


Peter MacLeod
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I have put my submission in telling them that it's a load of crap and the biggest white wash ever to cover up reduced prize money at the sole expense of the owners.
Hope all of you have put in your submission to reject this.

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