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Jamie Quinlivian
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 08:26


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I have never seen anything like this.

Put my dog over the table for a pre-kenneling vet check today.
The vet proceeded to squeeze his left wrist so hard, using both hands, until the dog gave a yelp, then scratched him.
This is a dog that ran 3 days ago and won by 9.75l.
This dog had stopper bone issues about 30 races ago. He has been managed after every race since then and we know exactly how to handle him. He has won over $40k for us and our aim is to race him for at least another 12 months. We would never ever race him, or any other dog, if they were not able to run to 100% of their ability.
This is him 20 minutes ago.
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Unfortunately my whinge does not end here.
My bitch was sent out favourite but missed the start a bit which at Gawler, makes it very hard to recover. She finished 7th and was then vetted.
The same vet went over the same leg 3 times and moved the leg in ways I have never seen a vet do before. She poked into the muscle so hard that the bitch had to give a little squeal. 14 days.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bitch. Nothing.
The diagnosis was not monkey muscle or infraspinatus, it was 'something up there'. Officially it is shoulder and elbow soreness.

I've never seen anything like it. I felt targeted today.
Very upsetting.



Kevin Wright
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 09:03


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

I have never seen anything like this.

Put my dog over the table for a pre-kenneling vet check today.
The vet proceeded to squeeze his left wrist so hard, using both hands, until the dog gave a yelp, then scratched him.
This is a dog that ran 3 days ago and won by 9.75l.
This dog had stopper bone issues about 30 races ago. He has been managed after every race since then and we know exactly how to handle him. He has won over $40k for us and our aim is to race him for at least another 12 months. We would never ever race him, or any other dog, if they were not able to run to 100% of their ability.
This is him 20 minutes ago.
EXTERNAL LINK

Unfortunately my whinge does not end here.
My bitch was sent out favourite but missed the start a bit which at Gawler, makes it very hard to recover. She finished 7th and was then vetted.
The same vet went over the same leg 3 times and moved the leg in ways I have never seen a vet do before. She poked into the muscle so hard that the bitch had to give a little squeal. 14 days.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bitch. Nothing.
The diagnosis was not monkey muscle or infraspinatus, it was 'something up there'. Officially it is shoulder and elbow soreness.

I've never seen anything like it. I felt targeted today.
Very upsetting.


James it seems very strange that you feel you have been targeted .

People read this forum and i suspect you have said or done something others believe maybe was not in the best interest to them personally.

Many who speak out have been targeted and the trend continues ....

I suspect you will be swabbed before after and during as well .
Kennel inspections ...
Make sure your treatment records are up to date ....
Don't feed any product with b12 .
Use fresh meat .and a good clean Kibble .

it could be classed as a X file type thing Mate but you are not alone ...

I could write a book on what the PTB HAVE DONE TO PARTICIPANTS...

Best to record all contact with any official .....




Kevin Murnane
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 09:04


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Hi Jamie we as trainers know nothing about our dogs offialdom does so they think there is a lot of frustration in our industry because they know everything they don't listen to participants and if they are listening there is always a remark made by some not all keep your chin up mate


Mark Donohue
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18 Aug 2017 09:06


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Mate, you gotta make a complaint. I was told years ago by a muscleman that you can make a dog squeal or yelp anywhere, anytime. I know too, dogs yelp when they're not used to the type of pressure one asserts on them. You might need a second opinion and obtain an early clearance. If there's no complaint that matter is accepted as it stands.



Jamie Quinlivian
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 09:50


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Ive notified stewards that I will make an official complaint and on the way home I rang the integrity officer to let them know there will be an email coming.
I cannot believe the force that was applied to his wrist and the handler behind me even commented on it.
I know there is an inhouse camera that will show everything, specially the way she checked the bitch.
But I am only a trainer and nothing will come of it.
The vet even looked at me in disbelief when I told her that I know my dogs better than her. She actually said 'do you have a university degree in veterinary science'

I should add that I have respect for good vets and have never had an issue with any track vet before.
And I'm trialling the dog tomorrow at Horsham because there is nothing wrong with him.




Jamie Quinlivian
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18 Aug 2017 09:58


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Kevin Wright wrote:

Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

I have never seen anything like this.

Put my dog over the table for a pre-kenneling vet check today.
The vet proceeded to squeeze his left wrist so hard, using both hands, until the dog gave a yelp, then scratched him.
This is a dog that ran 3 days ago and won by 9.75l.
This dog had stopper bone issues about 30 races ago. He has been managed after every race since then and we know exactly how to handle him. He has won over $40k for us and our aim is to race him for at least another 12 months. We would never ever race him, or any other dog, if they were not able to run to 100% of their ability.
This is him 20 minutes ago.
EXTERNAL LINK

Unfortunately my whinge does not end here.
My bitch was sent out favourite but missed the start a bit which at Gawler, makes it very hard to recover. She finished 7th and was then vetted.
The same vet went over the same leg 3 times and moved the leg in ways I have never seen a vet do before. She poked into the muscle so hard that the bitch had to give a little squeal. 14 days.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bitch. Nothing.
The diagnosis was not monkey muscle or infraspinatus, it was 'something up there'. Officially it is shoulder and elbow soreness.

I've never seen anything like it. I felt targeted today.
Very upsetting.


James it seems very strange that you feel you have been targeted .

People read this forum and i suspect you have said or done something others believe maybe was not in the best interest to them personally.

Many who speak out have been targeted and the trend continues ....

I suspect you will be swabbed before after and during as well .
Kennel inspections ...
Make sure your treatment records are up to date ....
Don't feed any product with b12 .
Use fresh meat .and a good clean Kibble .

it could be classed as a X file type thing Mate but you are not alone ...

I could write a book on what the PTB HAVE DONE TO PARTICIPANTS...

Best to record all contact with any official .....

Kevvy, I dont give a rats if they swab me every day of the week or check my kennels. I have no issue with that or anything else they do in either state.
But as it stands, if that vet is on duty next time I race, I'll be emptying the dogs then putting them back in the trailer and going home.




Kevin Wright
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 10:09


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Ive notified stewards that I will make an official complaint and on the way home I rang the integrity officer to let them know there will be an email coming.
I cannot believe the force that was applied to his wrist and the handler behind me even commented on it.
I know there is an inhouse camera that will show everything, specially the way she checked the bitch.
But I am only a trainer and nothing will come of it.
The vet even looked at me in disbelief when I told her that I know my dogs better than her. She actually said 'do you have a university degree in veterinary science'

I should add that I have respect for good vets and have never had an issue with any track vet before.
And I'm trialling the dog tomorrow at Horsham because there is nothing wrong with him.


Tape the trial at Horsham will you James ...Then download to You tube so we can display the run here on Data ...
Make sure you record every word told to you and yes an official complaint made in writing must be addressed but mate they are gunning for you ...

Some of the latest stories to surface by the PTB are disgusting ...on Members
Nothing surprises me these days and you will also get late races and harder races and bad boxes ..
Expect some repercussions as that seems to have always been their greatest weapon when dealing with smaller problem OTB ....

Look at it this way James ...
You now have joined a special club .......so now make the most of it like i do and run amuck ....

There is always a agenda ....did you see the Vet check the other dogs the same way .....
Over the years i have checked the odd dog or two and yes you can make a dog yelp or collapse and you will find older dogs get a bit stiff in joints.
when opposite force is applied against the Joint you can in fact hurt the dog and some dogs wrist are stiff and some are so supple you could twist them any way and get no reaction...
Each dog is different and it is up to us to make sure the Vets do not over extend these joints .... you done your job Mate ..The Vet didn't



Jamie Quinlivian
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 10:18


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Kev, I'm not in any club. I have no problem with the admin or stewards anywhere. In fact I have a good relationships with everyone at GRSA and GRV.
My issue today is one vet who was way over the top and disrespectful.
I said I felt like I was being targeted because I've got 2 dogs without any injury, now suspended for 10&14 days and 1 of them was forced out of a race.
This vet got it wrong. I know nothing will come from my complaint so I'm making my case public.



Kevin Wright
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 10:42


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Kev, I'm not in any club. I have no problem with the admin or stewards anywhere. In fact I have a good relationships with everyone at GRSA and GRV.
My issue today is one vet who was way over the top and disrespectful.
I said I felt like I was being targeted because I've got 2 dogs without any injury, now suspended for 10&14 days and 1 of them was forced out of a race.
This vet got it wrong. I know nothing will come from my complaint so I'm making my case public.

You should be in a club ...Ok then mate i can patch you in for the Flying Rats ..lol
PS
Do you own a Goat
....
Just for you Mate to help pick up the spirits ..
EXTERNAL LINK I recken we should ban exports of Australian Donkeys and i have alerted AA operatives JQ


Anthony Jeffress
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 11:39


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Kevin Wright wrote:

Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

I have never seen anything like this.

Put my dog over the table for a pre-kenneling vet check today.
The vet proceeded to squeeze his left wrist so hard, using both hands, until the dog gave a yelp, then scratched him.
This is a dog that ran 3 days ago and won by 9.75l.
This dog had stopper bone issues about 30 races ago. He has been managed after every race since then and we know exactly how to handle him. He has won over $40k for us and our aim is to race him for at least another 12 months. We would never ever race him, or any other dog, if they were not able to run to 100% of their ability.
This is him 20 minutes ago.
EXTERNAL LINK

Unfortunately my whinge does not end here.
My bitch was sent out favourite but missed the start a bit which at Gawler, makes it very hard to recover. She finished 7th and was then vetted.
The same vet went over the same leg 3 times and moved the leg in ways I have never seen a vet do before. She poked into the muscle so hard that the bitch had to give a little squeal. 14 days.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bitch. Nothing.
The diagnosis was not monkey muscle or infraspinatus, it was 'something up there'. Officially it is shoulder and elbow soreness.

I've never seen anything like it. I felt targeted today.
Very upsetting.


James it seems very strange that you feel you have been targeted .

People read this forum and i suspect you have said or done something others believe maybe was not in the best interest to them personally.

Many who speak out have been targeted and the trend continues ....

I suspect you will be swabbed before after and during as well .
Kennel inspections ...
Make sure your treatment records are up to date ....
Don't feed any product with b12 .
Use fresh meat .and a good clean Kibble .

it could be classed as a X file type thing Mate but you are not alone ...

I could write a book on what the PTB HAVE DONE TO PARTICIPANTS...

Best to record all contact with any official .....

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory ...

Anyway Jamie, it certainly seems like some "over zealous" action on the Vet's part in this instance(s). And it does make one wonder about the "qualifications" of SOME of these "experts" that are sitting in judgement on "our" runners at these meetings...

And you make a very pertinent point: There would be next to NO Trainers that would want to deliberately run a dog that's sore, or unable to do it's best. The mind boggles (but perhaps not quite as much as Big Kev's).




Johnathon Campbell
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 11:58


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Jamie take your dogs to two individual vets and get a report then if your correct you use a lawyer.

Sounds dramatic but in the real world organisations listen to a lawyer not complaining trainers.

In one ear out the next.


Mark Donohue
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 12:15


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Whatever you do, have a witness and a vet check. I wonder why she would do it ? I just hope you and your dogs are okay.



Kevin Wright
Australia
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18 Aug 2017 21:07


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Anthony Jeffress wrote:

Kevin Wright wrote:

Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

I have never seen anything like this.

Put my dog over the table for a pre-kenneling vet check today.
The vet proceeded to squeeze his left wrist so hard, using both hands, until the dog gave a yelp, then scratched him.
This is a dog that ran 3 days ago and won by 9.75l.
This dog had stopper bone issues about 30 races ago. He has been managed after every race since then and we know exactly how to handle him. He has won over $40k for us and our aim is to race him for at least another 12 months. We would never ever race him, or any other dog, if they were not able to run to 100% of their ability.
This is him 20 minutes ago.
EXTERNAL LINK

Unfortunately my whinge does not end here.
My bitch was sent out favourite but missed the start a bit which at Gawler, makes it very hard to recover. She finished 7th and was then vetted.
The same vet went over the same leg 3 times and moved the leg in ways I have never seen a vet do before. She poked into the muscle so hard that the bitch had to give a little squeal. 14 days.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bitch. Nothing.
The diagnosis was not monkey muscle or infraspinatus, it was 'something up there'. Officially it is shoulder and elbow soreness.

I've never seen anything like it. I felt targeted today.
Very upsetting.


James it seems very strange that you feel you have been targeted .

People read this forum and i suspect you have said or done something others believe maybe was not in the best interest to them personally.

Many who speak out have been targeted and the trend continues ....

I suspect you will be swabbed before after and during as well .
Kennel inspections ...
Make sure your treatment records are up to date ....
Don't feed any product with b12 .
Use fresh meat .and a good clean Kibble .

it could be classed as a X file type thing Mate but you are not alone ...

I could write a book on what the PTB HAVE DONE TO PARTICIPANTS...

Best to record all contact with any official .....

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory ...

Anyway Jamie, it certainly seems like some "over zealous" action on the Vet's part in this instance(s). And it does make one wonder about the "qualifications" of SOME of these "experts" that are sitting in judgement on "our" runners at these meetings...

And you make a very pertinent point: There would be next to NO Trainers that would want to deliberately run a dog that's sore, or unable to do it's best. The mind boggles (but perhaps not quite as much as Big Kev's).


Tell that to the Donkey ...AJ ...
PS
Do you own a Goat ..
Regards
XFile Kev


Mark Donohue
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18 Aug 2017 23:07


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Hi Jamie.
How are you n the two dogs ?


Sandro Bechini
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18 Aug 2017 23:32


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Johnathon campbell wrote:

Jamie take your dogs to two individual vets and get a report then if your correct you use a lawyer.

Sounds dramatic but in the real world organisations listen to a lawyer not complaining trainers.

In one ear out the next.

Best of advice of all

Drive to Melbourne and get two reports, one from Alistair @ Sandown and one from Des Fegan.

Then put this anti-greyhound racing vet in its place




Jamie Quinlivian
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18 Aug 2017 23:42


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Dogs are fit and ready to race.
Im on the way home from trialling at Horsham and very excited about my pups.
Another trainer told me yesterday that she was vetted out of a $15k final one night. She swears the dog was sound.
There needs to be some sort of dispute avenue for this. My race was only a $3k race and I may not have won it but I was a chance and I had the dog in peak condition. To get kicked out without any process to appeal is ludicrous.



Malcolm Smart
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19 Aug 2017 00:48


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Same thing happened to me box 1 nowra many years ago..


Raymond Peter Fewings
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19 Aug 2017 02:24


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We have only heard one side of this story.



Jamie Quinlivian
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19 Aug 2017 03:03


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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:

We have only heard one side of this story.

You would know better than me Ray, that anything I put in my email to the integrity officer at grsa will be ignored because the vet is a vet and I'm a mere trainer. Worse than that, I'm an interstate trainer.
So this forum is the only place where trainers can put their point across.
Im sure she is a very good vet and extremely knowledgeable.
But in my opinion, her examination of my first dog Signal Peak was excessive. This dog has an old stopper injury and he doesn't like having his wrist snapped back like that. She did it 3 times and used both hands on the 3rd attempt.
Then her assessment of Jacqui Blax was, in my opinion, a desperate attempt to find something. JB was only vetted because she was favorite.
I found the vets demeanour towards me as dismissive and offensive.
I would love the chance to meet with her at the grsa office and explain why I feel this way.
And Ray, there were other people who witnessed all this. You were not one of them.


Petar Jovanic
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19 Aug 2017 03:21


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Hi Jamie.

Don't know you or the vet involved however as an owner I know how you feel.

Trainer tells Vet what to do = vet is wrong
Owner tells trainer what to do = owner has no idea

I'm not trying to be a smart arse but as a trainer you wouldn't like your owners telling you how to do "your job" and i'm assuming the vet didn't want you telling her how to do "her job"

You mention "I found the vets demeanour towards me as dismissive and offensive" - owners feel like this all the time.

Just food for thought.



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