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Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Sep 2017 21:59
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I have no problem with GRV making the minimum age for racing at 18 months but strongly suggest coursing be left at 16 months. We educate all of our pups at straight track coursing. They become fit, with only two dogs there is little interference and it builds confidence while they are learning. It is different with eight dog fields.Dont Kid Me and Tuggeragh both started off at coursing at 16 months and they are still racing well at 3 1/2.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 27 Sep 2017 22:55
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with dwindling numbers bred ,, this two months extra in the kennel or paddock, seems to fit in well with the bigger picture , of total closure , australia wide ,
I thought it was possibly a welfare issue to not start dogs off too early in 8-dog competition, allowing bodies and minds to mature before racing rather than pushing them to the races at 16 months
However, to be honest, in the last 12 months, I have seen more pups start their careers closer to 2 year sold and that may be because its taking a lot longer for the penny to drop with pups these days
Have to agree with Ray, that coursing should be left at 16 months.
It builds competitive drive and keenness in a relatively safe environment
Paul Wheeler Australia (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 8 / Races 0 28 Sep 2017 00:11
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Just more rules to drive more participants out of the industry
It should not be a rule it should be left up to the individual to decide whats is best for their greyhounds.
John MacDonald with all the Glider dogs , Peter Glider and Gliders Son etc which were the best dogs in the land in those days always started his dogs early and it never worried them
A small amount of people with no knowledge of what is required to produce quality greyhounds making rules for all the industry to abide by.
It will be interesting to see where the game is in 5 to 10 years if it survives at all
Paw
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 28 Sep 2017 01:03
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SPOT ON PAW!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Sep 2017 01:41
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The only reason why all these rules are being introduced (besides the agenda) is because those AT THE TOP have been dropping the ball for years....decades really imo.
If they were regulating the industry with "On the Spot-Checks" etc, instead of being asleep at the wheel, the live-baiting affair would never have occurred.
Now we are paying the price, for their inability to govern our sport.
It seems to me that once you reach a certain level in some Government paid occupations, you can switch off & go to sleep 90% of the time & collect an exorbitant return.
Just look at Mal & Bill to prove my point.
This country is going downhill quick & this is just one example....& they don't give a sh1t.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 28 Sep 2017 03:12
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Yep without doubt the worst regulated industry for decades here in N.S.W. What are Scott & Eberand doing about it ????
John Robinson Australia (Verified User) Posts 160 Dogs 5 / Races 0 28 Sep 2017 04:01
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Mark Staines wrote:
Yep without doubt the worst regulated industry for decades here in N.S.W. What are Scott & Eberand doing about it ????
I do not know the answer to what is Scott and Eberand doing about it but if I am about to see what has happened before in my time of working for government enterprises and enterprises that the industries relied on government assets and infrastructure the fate of the assets are well spoken for before the participants even know they are to be closed most have been sold by and to capitalist wheelers and dealers (not PAW) some have been done in very dubious ways by people in the organisations that the average joe blow thought were good blokes It is my opinion that all the people involved in this industry need to speak out loud and clearly if you see things that look shonky bring it out in the open if it seems your assets are being sold have a good look at the price that is received for them is it good or bad. I would like to say more of what my opinion is but I fear the repercussions that the GOOD BLOKES will do to silence the mob who they are ripping off and will do to hide corruption. Stupid rules force out people with common sense, stupid decisions destroy good industries. stupid people stay silent and go down with the ship. Good operators and people know how and inturn make good decisions for the industry they are involved in. Hope my opinion is understood
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1439 Dogs 24 / Races 127 28 Sep 2017 10:31
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so whats the minimum age to breakin and trials dogs now then ?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 28 Sep 2017 10:52
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Stop it Anthony. Your making our rulemakers look like idiots.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Sep 2017 21:12
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Michael B. Is correct, maybe Victoria is yet to feel the shortage flow-on. Now lets hear from our Administrators in the other states to make it clear due to the current shortage of Racing Stock, they wont be following Victoria down this path. And GREAT EFFORTS, AND INITIATIVES are being pursued to arrest this ALARMING PROBLEM.
NEWS-FLASH!! Nothing happening in NSW yet! Will appoint a 5 Member Board of Former Judges, Politicians, Lawyers, and Animal Activists to LOOK into it! (Another 2Million) estimated only.
while your there, would you mind asking the %$#% (people in charge) how I can take my grand children to a crocodile park and they watch a crocodile tear a chook apart,but I can't use a rabbit carcas for my dog....
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 29 Sep 2017 09:54
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And anyone can put a video on YouTube putting a hook through a live fish and dropping it in botany bay hoping to catch a kingy. And title it live baiting! I think double standards are alive and well and we are lying down taking it up the coight. Seriously though when's it going to stop.....
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 29 Sep 2017 11:08
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Anthony McVicker wrote:
so whats the minimum age to breakin and trials dogs now then ?
Good one Anthony!
We may as well throw another one in to the mix.
A maximum racing age ??
Sounds silly I know... but they may as well introduce yet another rule, to try and satisfy their insatiable appetite for making more and more rules.
Yep without doubt the worst regulated industry for decades here in N.S.W. What are Scott & Eberand doing about it ????
Topic starter was to do with a rule brought in by GRV so the two people you mention have no say...I haven't heard much new news re: NSW but I am very pleased about Michael Eberand's appointment, he has the industry's interest placed first & unlike many other administrators... he is at the coal face breeding racing & training dogs.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 29 Sep 2017 23:01
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Exactly Glenn the people i mentioned appear to have no say, thats the problem.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Sep 2017 01:51
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Glenn Hatton wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Yep without doubt the worst regulated industry for decades here in N.S.W. What are Scott & Eberand doing about it ????
Topic starter was to do with a rule brought in by GRV so the two people you mention have no say...I haven't heard much new news re: NSW but I am very pleased about Michael Eberand's appointment, he has the industry's interest placed first & unlike many other administrators... he is at the coal face breeding racing & training dogs.
Glenn: We have a New Board, Advisory Panel, 3 New Commissioners, a GBOTA! Where is the Positive New Direction? Can WE/I access the minutes, Agenda's of meetings? Our Greyhound Advisory Committee is required to meet a minimum 6 times a year!, no minutes since 2016?been published. We have record numbers of positive swabs, record numbers of trainers being disqualified, and leaving the Industry. And NO CONCERNS FROM OUR PTB? Why? When can we hear SOMETHING/ANYTHING from our Representative Mr. Brenton Scott? Thinking of asking the Police to check on his well being, and where abouts! Perhaps we can receive a statement on this very Topic. Don't hold your breath
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 2 / Races 0 30 Sep 2017 02:04
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Paul Wheeler wrote:
Just more rules to drive more participants out of the industry
It should not be a rule it should be left up to the individual to decide whats is best for their greyhounds.
John MacDonald with all the Glider dogs , Peter Glider and Gliders Son etc which were the best dogs in the land in those days always started his dogs early and it never worried them
PAUL, JUST ONE QUESTION. You don't have to answer it but .
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ASKED BY GRNSW AND OTHERS RUNNING OUR INDUSTRY FOR YOUR IDEAS ,SUGGESTIONS,ETC, regarding what's good for our industry.
With your experience with BREEDING, RACING,AND VARIOUS OTHER PARTICIPATIONS in greyhound racing I would have thought you should have been one of the FIRST to be invited for input,,after all your family has only been in the game for over 50 years so what would you know, .
A small amount of people with no knowledge of what is required to produce quality greyhounds making rules for all the industry to abide by.
It will be interesting to see where the game is in 5 to 10 years if it survives at all
Paw
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Sep 2017 04:31
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Terry Jordan wrote:
Glenn Hatton wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Yep without doubt the worst regulated industry for decades here in N.S.W. What are Scott & Eberand doing about it ????
Topic starter was to do with a rule brought in by GRV so the two people you mention have no say...I haven't heard much new news re: NSW but I am very pleased about Michael Eberand's appointment, he has the industry's interest placed first & unlike many other administrators... he is at the coal face breeding racing & training dogs.
Glenn: We have a New Board, Advisory Panel, 3 New Commissioners, a GBOTA! Where is the Positive New Direction? Can WE/I access the minutes, Agenda's of meetings? Our Greyhound Advisory Committee is required to meet a minimum 6 times a year!, no minutes since 2016?been published. We have record numbers of positive swabs, record numbers of trainers being disqualified, and leaving the Industry. And NO CONCERNS FROM OUR PTB? Why? When can we hear SOMETHING/ANYTHING from our Representative Mr. Brenton Scott? Thinking of asking the Police to check on his well being, and where abouts! Perhaps we can receive a statement on this very Topic. Don't hold your breath
Yes it would be great if the minutes were made public, i would love to know who recommended 6 Dog fields and who voted for it.
John Robinson Australia (Verified User) Posts 160 Dogs 5 / Races 0 30 Sep 2017 06:38
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Mark I was taught an old saying when a boy wish in one hand s--t in the other and see which gets full first. accept the fact you will be told nothing till all is lost if they told us the truth we would be up in arms
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