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Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 07 Oct 2017 09:37
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I have completed the survey but felt compelled to try & do more so sent this reply:
Gday Michael,
Something for you & the GRNSW Boards,Management & Staff to consider & have a compulsory questionnaire for you all to submit a written answer before its too late:
With the current & proposed breeding rules in place, the current appalling prize money levels in NSW & the fact that most Breeders/ Trainers have 6 + retired greyhounds on there properties or are paying $50 to $70 board as an Owner for each retired greyhound because the GAP program is a joke with the money taken from transport/unplaced not going to GAP would your Directors,Management & staff even consider the financial madness involved in breeding a litter themselves?
You dont need us to tell you that you need to help us not ruin us.
The way I see it your jobs are on the line along with our sport unless you act in the interest of Breeders/Trainers & Owners.
Genuinely & sincerely yours,
Grant Dunphy,
Breeder,Trainer & Owner since 1986.
Last Chance To Have Your Say On The Future Of NSW Racing
Participants are reminded to take part in a survey that will assist in determining possible strategies and other racing related solutions to minimise the impact of the falling greyhound population that will develop in NSW (and Australia wide) over the next 12 to 24 months.
The survey has been developed to gather industry views on what race event programming initiatives, prizemoney structures, financial incentive schemes or other racing related solutions would be most beneficial to optimise the future racing population of greyhounds in NSW.
The sharp fall in greyhound breeding levels experienced in recent years poses a serious threat to GRNSW being able to maintain current racing levels across the state, however it also presents an opportunity to optimise the racing pool by improving welfare outcomes, increasing the proportion of greyhounds that make the track and extending the average career of racing greyhounds.
The decrease in NSW breeding is illustrated by the graph below:
The survey should take no more than 15 minutes and can be completed online by clicking hereand submissions will close on Monday 10 October 2017.
All responses will be reviewed and considered when determining the best approach to optimise the future racing population of greyhounds in NSW.
NOTE: If you have completed the survey there is no need to complete again.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 08 Oct 2017 00:53
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Survey after survey - there is nothing that has not already been stated on numerous occasions over the past 2 years - if GRNSW were ever listening they would have acted on the feedback , long ago - what makes anyone believe they will now?
The solutions are obvious - stop pretending a greyhound's welfare is above that of a participant - reinstate lures that reward chase (not live baiting but dead carcasses or at a minimum synthetic hides) - unwind the litany of dumb over sensitive welfare policies that have delivered no more than a public facade at the expense of the participants, and above all stop listening to "blow ins" feeding off the Industry ,who's efforts to date, unmistakably demonstrate they are ignorant in the art of greyhound rearing and racing. Start here GRNSW and maybe some of us will take your surveys and postulating more serious and start breeding again.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Oct 2017 02:04
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Meanwhile, Bobs Breeding Bonuses for thoroughbreds are still happening across the State of NSW. If we don't kick them out (Coalition- LIb/NP) for good, we'll have irreversible damage and possibly be gone as well.
Paul Wheeler Australia (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 8 / Races 0 08 Oct 2017 03:28
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I spoke with my solicitor during the last week and he has been an owner or part owner of greyhounds for the last 30 to 40 years and has represented quite a few greyhound people in that time because of his knowledge of the industry in NSW. He stated that the amount of welfare rules that have come in the past year or two will in his opinion see the end of greyhound racing in NSW over the next 5 to 10 years and I agree with him 100%
I am not filling any more surveys to be ignored ,it's waste of time. Nick Arena summed it up perfectly .
Paw
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 08 Oct 2017 05:40
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needs a class action or something against this pathetic victimisation.
i've never heard of such a campaign to crush a group of people who have done nothing wrong.
there must be lawyers out there who are smart enough to take on this fight for equality.
what is happening is just not australian imo and it has to stop.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 08 Oct 2017 08:24
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simon moore wrote:
needs a class action or something against this pathetic victimisation.
i've never heard of such a campaign to crush a group of people who have done nothing wrong.
there must be lawyers out there who are smart enough to take on this fight for equality.
what is happening is just not australian imo and it has to stop.
good idea, but will never happen , its such a fragmented industry, where everyone thinks they are smarter than the next guy ,
until you have a united front no lawyers will look at you ,,
what i have seen in the last two years no matter how stupid, how ridiculous the new rules imposed upon us are ,
im yet to see a challenge ??????????????/// from any body or anyone WHY ?
you would have to be an idiot not to see the bigger picture ,, closure australia wide ,
had mike baird not tried to be such a hero ,in going alone in closure , and discussed closure with other states , im quite sure closure would have been imminent,
with current rules and regulations the industry simply cant survive long term
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 08 Oct 2017 10:11
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Some of the prominent trainers and owners need to approach the shooters and fishers party and start a campaign in the media about the reality of what is happening imo, cause the silence has just gone on too long.
It's only when the ptb are embarrassed in the media that anything will change.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6014 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Oct 2017 21:19
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Another retrograde step being rolled out again! 6 dog fields, Why aren't ANY other state following these great initiatives. Wasn't it the same UTS that provided Horsham with there Track Safety upgrades? Wonder if they mentioned 6 dog fields to GRV?
Now with Dog shortages being apparent, and endemic into the future. Why not MIXED MEETINGS? Albion Park Grade 1&2 meeting Thur/night Mon/Night Mixed Grade meet 2&3 etc. Prizemoney paid on Grade of race. NSW: FIRST & FOREMOST, SCRAP D Grade! Talk of Animal Welfare! $270..1st. Prizemoney tantamount to starving Dogs, and owners. Combine C&D into the one grade. As above Mixed Meetings. Difference being Points-Score. Just an example: Mixed meeting B&C, dogs with 0-120 points race for C grade P/Money , 121-above B grade p/money. To make up a race you need 2 dogs with higher points 121 to receive B p/money. Only an example, and would need tweaking, but may be a small life line. Mixed/Grade/Meetings The last so called Prizemoney increase in NSW reported as 1.2 million? Distances up and above 421m received a $200+ Increase. Races of 420m and less COPPED a $180 deduction, on top of Travel subsidy cuts $20 for each subsequent dog. Looks self funded to me! I bred a litter, BEFORE the so-called increases. Now not everyone has 500m dogs. (I don't) Have won approx 16-17 wins on TAB tracks over mainly 407-420. ( No Longer) Before the increase these races were paying $1080, now $900. I have contributed almost $1500 to these increases. Industry going forward? Wonder if these GENIUS decision makers would love to make a $1500 donation? or accept a pay cut to help the future of this industry???????
Trent Wrigley Australia (Verified User) Posts 1548 Dogs 40 / Races 3 10 Oct 2017 06:42
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
Survey after survey - there is nothing that has not already been stated on numerous occasions over the past 2 years - if GRNSW were ever listening they would have acted on the feedback , long ago - what makes anyone believe they will now?
The solutions are obvious - stop pretending a greyhound's welfare is above that of a participant - reinstate lures that reward chase (not live baiting but dead carcasses or at a minimum synthetic hides) - unwind the litany of dumb over sensitive welfare policies that have delivered no more than a public facade at the expense of the participants, and above all stop listening to "blow ins" feeding off the Industry ,who's efforts to date, unmistakably demonstrate they are ignorant in the art of greyhound rearing and racing. Start here GRNSW and maybe some of us will take your surveys and postulating more serious and start breeding again.
Couldnt agree more i have been involved in industry for 9 years and current direction we are being steered doesn't look good.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 10 Oct 2017 23:51
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Paul Wheeler,
have you and some of your prominent trainers approached the shooters and fishers party to make it clear what the real situation is atm in nsw?
imo the shooters and fishers party hold the key to fixing some of this mess.
you think about it. they can go around shooting animals for sport and they can use live bait to go and catch a great big snapper, but we can't even use what the shooters have just shot or even road kill or even a pork chop from the butcher to teach a greyhound to chase a lure properly.
its all thanks to having a political voice and the result in orange showed how powerful it can be.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 11 Oct 2017 03:03
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Simon, You have your thinking cap on. Well written.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 11 Oct 2017 09:10
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Thanks mate.
Our leaders are doing nothing for us to improve the situation. It's just getting worse everyday and it's clearly up to the participants now to take a stand.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 11 Oct 2017 23:51
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The survival of our industry and the support of the SFF Party go hand in hand. Embrace it or we fail.
Patrick D'Arcy Australia (Verified User) Posts 188 Dogs 3 / Races 0 12 Oct 2017 09:21
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Simon, You have your thinking cap on. Well written.
What Simon said....
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 12 Oct 2017 10:05
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Good luck to the SFF Party at the Cootamundra By-Election on Saturday. The Hunter Express will be 'manning' the booth at Young. . It will be a real test for all parties, but the more seats the 'Shooters' get the safer our industry will become.
Ray Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 142 Dogs 2 / Races 0 13 Oct 2017 07:13
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Hi There Its obvious our industry is in decline and we are all frustrated and its true we need a combined front to have any chance of surviving the onslaught of the activists . They are a collective of people who honestly believe they know better and occupy a superior moral realm than us . Every woken moment of an activists life is spent trying to proscribe their ideology ,recall they consider animals , non human citizens . They are well organised and pursue causes with almost religious zealous . What we must do first is stop eating our own , every time something goes wrong i.e. a dog is injured during a race some participants want to blame someone else , usually the track staff . Dog racing is a contact sport and their will invariably be injuries but they are not always someones fault . Acrimonious posts on social media do us no good and just feeds the anti's . We need as collective to become more politically astute , employ legal and promotional experts to get the public to better understand what a great industry greyhound racing is and how the vast majority derive pleasure from participation and just because a minority don't agree they have no right to deny others to indulge their passion . Political correctness is rampant in society and the battle to push back against will not be easy but with a combined effort I am sure we can prevail because contrary to what the elitists believe the majority of people in Australia still believe in live and let live and don't want to preached to by self appointed superiors who are attempting to manipulate more and more of citizens lives , Ray
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 13 Oct 2017 21:40
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Ray, Well written. It is political and it's not only the antis that we are or should be fighting. We should be (we are somewhat) fighting against the pro-T'Breds Govt who in 2015 found a small number of persons committing offences yet found a way to close down the entire industry, a well-liked industry. To reinforce their stance and to blame someone else, they spent about $12 million trying to justify their original purpose. The Govt n GRNSW together could've changed the focus w/o the Enquiry taking place. We already had a Parliamentary Enquiry about two years before 2015 and it came up with similar strategies about welfare. Instead, this Coalition State Govt wasted our tax payers money. IMO the last two State Govts both the ALP n LIB/Nats have been useless and expensive and we really have nothing to show for it.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 17 Oct 2017 05:48
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Paul Wheeler gets more likes than most people here whenever he says anything, so it shows people in the industry look up to him.
The reason I ask if he and the prominent trainers have approached the shooters and fishers party together is because they probably wouldn't be aware of the actual current situation right now and without stories being published in newspapers etc. the general public would assume everything is hunky dory.
It is a political fight and if we want the shooters and fishers to gain ground then the public need to know that we are copping too many hurdles unfairly and the battle is not over by a long shot. But if Joe Bloggs says something nobody will take too much notice compared to Paul Wheeler.
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