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Mark Donohue
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Is/was Aboriginal ? Alive or not ?

You'd be surprised how many people are supporters.



Malcolm Smart
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16 Oct 2017 04:45


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Dan Hollywood wrote:

Imagine if the greys had a media campaign which equalled that of the thorougheads, but they never will while the thorougheads dictate the industry.

They spend more on toilet paper then we do on advertising....


Simon Moore
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16 Oct 2017 05:17


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Would be close yeah :)



Ryan Vanderwert
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16 Oct 2017 12:48


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this notice is on the front of every horse race (not sure about other states)

'Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution'

interesting idea?


Michael Geraghty
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16 Oct 2017 12:55


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Mark Donohue wrote:

Is/was Aboriginal ? Alive or not ?

You'd be surprised how many people are supporters.

Mark,
His name is Warren Mundine and when baird was pounding his drum he WAS one of the louder voices against the ban and I would imagine, still IS.
As far as I know, he is alive and well.
He's a very grounded man, salt of the earth, and he did a great job batting for us.

I would be nowhere near surprised as much as baird and grant were about how many people support Greyhounds.
They found out when their imaginary internet following was met with reality.

People that I'm aware of that support include...
Cricketers, Footballers, Food chain owners, Bakers, Butchers, Teachers, Lawyers, Doctors, Dentists, Accountants, Real Estate agents, Abattoir workers, QC's, Salesmen, Construction workers, Painters, Numerous small business owners, and on and on...
Basically, all sorts of people from ALL walks of life.

Big audience.



Michael Geraghty
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16 Oct 2017 13:03


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

this notice is on the front of every horse race (not sure about other states)

'Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution'

interesting idea?

Ryan,
"on the front of every horse race"???
NSW?




Ryan Vanderwert
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16 Oct 2017 13:11


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no Michael, in vic


Michael Geraghty
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16 Oct 2017 21:02


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

no Michael, in vic

OK. For it to be a good idea it actually has to be USED for what it is intended.
For example, QLD, for years now, has had a reduction in p/m of approx 35% or more for welfare and integrity???
Considering how the Govt have thrown a motza at it themselves, I'd love to see accounts of where the 10s of millions have been spent.

A national industry entity, independent from Govt and regulators, fully accountable, working for the industry, could have a 1.4 million p.a. plus pool to put to use the way it should be.

That's an interesting idea.


Jan Jones
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16 Oct 2017 23:11


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When we come off the track after a race at Angle Park, there are always children there, sometimes a whole group, waiting to pat the dogs - that would be a great photo opportunity for marketing. The dogs love it too.



Jamie Quinlivian
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16 Oct 2017 23:16


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Further proof that the public LOVE greyhounds and LOVE greyhound racing.

Greyhound Racing South Australia facebook page has 5,309 followers.
SA greyhound network, which are a radical hate group, have 480 followers on their page.
This is the group that proclaimed my bitch Sweet Savage would never be seen or heard of again after breaking her leg in a race fall.
Well guess what losers, after surgery costing $2100, Sweety has just been impregnated and will raise another generation of hard chasing excitement machines, whose greatest joy is when they get to run flat out amongst a pack, chasing their hearts out.
5,309 LOVE the sport.
480 HATE it.
Not even 1 in 10. And we have administrators writing policies to try to please these people. The same people who think that a split webbing is reason to shut down the sport.

C'mon. Ignore the losers, put your trust back into the trainers and get the sport back into the media for the right reasons.



Jamie Quinlivian
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16 Oct 2017 23:21


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jan jones wrote:

When we come off the track after a race at Angle Park, there are always children there, sometimes a whole group, waiting to pat the dogs - that would be a great photo opportunity for marketing. The dogs love it too.

Thats one of the joys of racing at Angle Park Jan.
The kids are in awe of the dogs.
When I go to Warrnambool they are busy trying to keep the kids amused with jumping castles and face painting. Craziness..... let the kids get up close and personal with the dogs.




Nathan Trigg
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16 Oct 2017 23:55


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

no Michael, in vic

OK. For it to be a good idea it actually has to be USED for what it is intended.
For example, QLD, for years now, has had a reduction in p/m of approx 35% or more for welfare and integrity???
Considering how the Govt have thrown a motza at it themselves, I'd love to see accounts of where the 10s of millions have been spent.

A national industry entity, independent from Govt and regulators, fully accountable, working for the industry, could have a 1.4 million p.a. plus pool to put to use the way it should be.

That's an interesting idea.

Michael it looks like out of the 26 million dollars used by the Queensland racing integrity commission for the 2016-2017 financial year about 60% went on wages and around 5% for direct animal welfare over the three codes.





Ryan Vanderwert
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17 Oct 2017 01:33


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not only that Michael, but the perception to the outsider is that people who are benefiting from the sport by winning these races are actually putting some of that prize money back in to ensure jockey & equine welfare.

the night i went (Bill Stutt Stks) there were 3x $120k races, 3x $200k races, 1x $150k race and a $500k race, so that's $32,200 towards jockey and equine welfare from the one night..............and that statement('Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution'), appears directly in the racebook after all the prize money break up.

anyway I thought it was impressive.


Sandro Bechini
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17 Oct 2017 01:57


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Greyhounds SA allows an owner to donate a % of the prizemoney earned by an owner to be donated to gap. It is on the prizemoney firm but don't believe it's advertised anywhere.


Michael Geraghty
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17 Oct 2017 01:59


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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

not only that Michael, but the perception to the outsider is that people who are benefiting from the sport by winning these races are actually putting some of that prize money back in to ensure jockey & equine welfare.

the night i went (Bill Stutt Stks) there were 3x $120k races, 3x $200k races, 1x $150k race and a $500k race, so that's $32,200 towards jockey and equine welfare from the one night..............and that statement('Prize money contribution totalling 2% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution'), appears directly in the racebook after all the prize money break up.

anyway I thought it was impressive.

Ryan, I don't disagree at all...it's very impressive, even more so if it reaches it target beneficiaries.
Also agree it's a great promo to get public confidence.

The problem I have is, I have no, zilch, zip, zero confidence in a similar system for Greys because of a little word called transparency, or the lack of it.
I also agree with this thread's title...people do love Grey racing and they would love it even more if they could see initiatives like this in place, along with proper promos.

That's why we need a nation body to make bloody SURE it is transparent and true.


Michael Geraghty
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17 Oct 2017 02:48


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Nathan Trigg wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

no Michael, in vic

OK. For it to be a good idea it actually has to be USED for what it is intended.
For example, QLD, for years now, has had a reduction in p/m of approx 35% or more for welfare and integrity???
Considering how the Govt have thrown a motza at it themselves, I'd love to see accounts of where the 10s of millions have been spent.

A national industry entity, independent from Govt and regulators, fully accountable, working for the industry, could have a 1.4 million p.a. plus pool to put to use the way it should be.

That's an interesting idea.

Michael it looks like out of the 26 million dollars used by the Queensland racing integrity commission for the 2016-2017 financial year about 60% went on wages and around 5% for direct animal welfare over the three codes.

Nathan, if those figures are true, 1.3 million @ 3 codes...well, doesn't really add up. I'm guessing we'll never know.


Bruce Teague
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17 Oct 2017 21:38


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Jamie and others,

There are some nice thoughts here but too much of it is fanciful.

First, people do not like greyhounds. Some do but most dont, as shown in repeated surveys. We are not helped when the RSPCAs NSW boss states he wants to ban greyhound racing a claim that is outside his brief or when Baird put him on the Panel which dreamed up the current package of rules. (Note the Vic government told its RSPCA branch to stay out of politics and concentrate on its proper job ie welfare).

Second, in real terms thoroughbreds do advertise, greyhounds and trots do not. Any space on SKY or the Recorder does not count as it is just preaching to the converted. Advertising is what Coles, Woollies, KIA, BMW, Kellogs, etc do.

Third, community contact programs, including GAP, are good and worthwhile although they seem mainly confined to Vic and SA. However, they do not constitute advertising which requires you to ask the public to buy a product. If you had an advertising program (as part of an overall marketing effort) then those community programs would help to support it and v.v.

Fourth, racing administrations often employ someone called a Marketing Manager. They are nothing of the sort. They are simply promotions assistants putting up marquees or telling people (the converted again) to buy a meal/bet/racebook package. Marketing is about identifying potential customer groups, organising a product to suit their wishes, conducting research, and perhaps a little advertising as well. Remember that racing administrations are primarily a collection of bureaucrats. Bureaucrats do not do marketing or advertising. They have important jobs but pushing the industry ahead is not one of them.

Fifth, the entire Alliance effort in NSW was a defensive one, aimed at stopping something from happening. It failed to press a case for advancing the industry. For example, it agreed with a government push to reduce breeding on spurious grounds nobody analysed exactly what was going on and what the longer term impacts would be. It further agreed to rules and regulations would endanger the future viability of the industry. Whether it would have won any argument is beside the point it put the industry on a hiding to nothing. And Victoria is headed down the same dangerous path.

Sixth, one post accusing Baird of having no reason to ban the industry is patently wrong. His quoted reason was to do with over-breeding (which he got wrong) but the telling issue was live baiting (which he got right). That amounted to a shortcoming in industry culture and a failure of management to control it.

The challenge now is to work out why the former Premier, the former and current Racing Ministers, the Greens, the ABC, Fairfax, all the anti organisations and much of the public do not like greyhounds or greyhound racing and voted for the ban and then do something about it.

Love will not cut the mustard. Good information will.




Jamie Quinlivian
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17 Oct 2017 22:39


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What surveys Bruce?



Ronald George Hunter
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17 Oct 2017 23:24


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Good onya Bruce, you nwever see good in anything!


Simon Moore
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17 Oct 2017 23:37


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don't kid yourself bruce. the reason the premier banned greyhounds was purely political.
and rightfully it bit him on the ass for thinking he was so powerful.

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