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Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 01:13
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Jamie,
Specifically, surveys by Ernst & Young for QGRA some years ago. More recently WA and Vic have surveyed public attitudes, from which we have indirect but meaningful comments only (they refuse to supply formal results). However, you can get additional guides from the numbers being critical of greyhound racing on blogs and in newspapers.
Ron, Good News? I actually mentioned a few good things but the point is that the industry is marching backwards in many areas. Qld has long been retreating, Vic and NSW are facing severe restrictions on everyday operations and in NSW it is hard to see how budgets will survive in a high cost climate. In all areas, we are running out of starters and genuine stayers, overall field quality is falling consistently and mug gamblers comprise a bigger proportion of customers. Critically, nobody is doing much about this. Ignore it at your peril.
Simon, Baird's initial reaction to live baiting etc was recorded on social media, not in a conventional policy framework - ie it was a knee jerk reaction. He then grabbed hold of whatever he could find out of the flawed McHugh report - particularly more live baiting and "overbreeding" to justify the ban. All this was - in practical terms - irrespective of good policy, cabinet review, party consultation or even good advice. That all came later. It adds up to a personal dislike of greyhound racing.
The only time actual "politics" came into it was when the march down Macquarie St succeeded and the Orange by-election ran into trouble.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 03:38
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Bruce, I'm very disappointed.
I created this thread based on what I witnessed with my own eyes last Friday night at Angle Park. That is, 1200 people thoroughly enjoying themselves at the dogs. It dawned on me that the anti racing protest attracted 24 people, which made the ABC news, while the feature race night of the year attracted 1200, and did not make the news.
Now you come on this thread and clearly state that people do NOT love greyhound racing and that there are repeated surveys to back up your claim. Now we see that the 'repeated surveys' you refer to, are one from years ago and a couple that we have no results for??? Then you try to add weight by saying there are critical blogs and newspaper articles.
C'mon Bruce. You'll have to do better than that.
People LOVE the dogs.
David Grindley Australia (Verified User) Posts 231 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 03:59
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So surveys tell us most people dislike greyhounds? Surveys also told us Great Britain wouldnt leave the EU , Clinton was a shoe in and the Nats would hold Orange .Bringing up negatives does the industry no good but if people follow Jamies lead by putting up positive comments it can only help the industry go forward
Kevin Murnane Australia (Verified User) Posts 120 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 04:44
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Jan you are correct marketing and I have raised this with the ceo about 8 months ago but guess what we are lucky to have a on course photographer as you and Jamie know kurt does a fantastic effort juggling his life to be on course for the winners when time allows him it pisses owners off when they can't get a photo of there dog winning especially the maiden win with first time owners better stop or there could be an enquiry the truth never lies
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 05:00
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Kev, you are right about Kurt. He does a great job. I believe he puts a heap of photos on his facebook page too. With Ray Fewings now on the GRSA board, I imagine promotion would be on his agenda. Not many more passionate people in the game than Ray.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 18 Oct 2017 09:30
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As a person who has now been involved in our sport since a 16 year old now 70 .I have seen a lot in that.time.One of the worse decision by so called marketers is the waste of money promoting group races where in my view the return is no where on a cost verses benefit is warranted. I feel we need to promote the GAP programs and getting adults ,kids out there seeing how friendly Greyhounds are.where I live there is an old guy who walks his gap dog past the school ever morning, the foot path is full of kids wanting to pat his dog. If we are going to win this battle against the antis we must get the next generation interested like I and many were as kids .i was the proudest person you could meet when I got my O T licence then a couple of years later my public trainers licence .so let's all try and get more money into the Gap programs.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Oct 2017 09:35
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I agree with you Jack
Getting kids involved with greyhounds, taking them to schools, involving them in programs to walk dogs, show them how to look after a greyhound etc will go a long way to ensure a long term survival of the sport
Kevin Murnane Australia (Verified User) Posts 120 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 09:55
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Yes Jamie ray is very passionate about the greyhounds and the future of it ray has seen a lot of changes through the years with rays common sense approach I am sure it will only benefit our industry if people listen just on first time owners we as trainers talk the industry up to these new first time owners saying how great it is we promote it more than our leaders just a simple photo winning a maiden race now that would be nice and iam sure the new owners would allow thes kids that adore the greyhounds to have a photo taken with the maiden winner and first time owners I know terry cahalan got a photo taken on the dias with all the kids that were at angle park one night at terry's expense a lasting memory
Kevin Murnane Australia (Verified User) Posts 120 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Oct 2017 10:07
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Hi sandro this was another point I raised with our ceo 8 months ago but was shot down because of the gambling attached to it what a load of bullshit wasn't the Adelaide cup the ubet cup and there was kids every where last Friday night at angle park double standards at it's finest again you wouldn't want our leaders in the trenches with you whats in a easter egg sandro think about it
Steve Woods Australia (Verified User) Posts 784 Dogs 1 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 00:14
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Go
Jack Ogilvie wrote:
As a person who has now been involved in our sport since a 16 year old now 70 .I have seen a lot in that.time.One of the worse decision by so called marketers is the waste of money promoting group races where in my view the return is no where on a cost verses benefit is warranted. I feel we need to promote the GAP programs and getting adults ,kids out there seeing how friendly Greyhounds are.where I live there is an old guy who walks his gap dog past the school ever morning, the foot path is full of kids wanting to pat his dog. If we are going to win this battle against the antis we must get the next generation interested like I and many were as kids .i was the proudest person you could meet when I got my O T licence then a couple of years later my public trainers licence .so let's all try and get more money into the Gap programs.
When my kids where atschool 25 years ago twice we had a classroom full of kids come down with some parents and go through our kennles on a show and tell. Wasa real eye opener for the kids and mums asto our breed and industry. Probably have few wingers nowadays that would stop little trips like that.
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 20 Oct 2017 07:09
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The words 'this Century' was what got me with that article. One must wonder what they'll say when the crowd levels out next year or the year thereafter.....
Mark Donohue wrote:
They were spruiking on Nine, Sydney this morning, that Randwick on Saturday had the largest crowd this century for the Everest ? Yes, but it wasn't for the Everest, it was for the concert to see Jason Derulo for one hour after the last. Well done to them. . We need to do 1000% better in advertising and promotion, especially in NSW that's for sure !
Joe Baldacchino Australia (Verified User) Posts 561 Dogs 6 / Races 2 20 Oct 2017 07:40
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With all due respects Bruce, 'recent' surveys would no doubt provide a negative opinion of Greyhound racing given the bad publicity the Sport has been subjected to, specifically the 4 Corners programme and the extremely over the top 'advertising' campaign undertaken by Troy Grant in NSW, much of which would have filtered through to all other States in the Nation.
What Jamie is doing is trying to reverse the negativity by promoting the 'Good' in greyhound racing and that should be the main aim of every Administrative Body in the land.
Running to the ABC, like Dr Chris Symonds of GRNSW did yesterday, 19 October, 2017, to put forward a case for straight track racing as an initiative to 'reduce greyhound deaths' doesn't help.
Bruce Teague wrote:
Jamie,
Specifically, surveys by Ernst & Young for QGRA some years ago. More recently WA and Vic have surveyed public attitudes, from which we have indirect but meaningful comments only (they refuse to supply formal results). However, you can get additional guides from the numbers being critical of greyhound racing on blogs and in newspapers.
Ron, Good News? I actually mentioned a few good things but the point is that the industry is marching backwards in many areas. Qld has long been retreating, Vic and NSW are facing severe restrictions on everyday operations and in NSW it is hard to see how budgets will survive in a high cost climate. In all areas, we are running out of starters and genuine stayers, overall field quality is falling consistently and mug gamblers comprise a bigger proportion of customers. Critically, nobody is doing much about this. Ignore it at your peril.
Simon, Baird's initial reaction to live baiting etc was recorded on social media, not in a conventional policy framework - ie it was a knee jerk reaction. He then grabbed hold of whatever he could find out of the flawed McHugh report - particularly more live baiting and "overbreeding" to justify the ban. All this was - in practical terms - irrespective of good policy, cabinet review, party consultation or even good advice. That all came later. It adds up to a personal dislike of greyhound racing.
The only time actual "politics" came into it was when the march down Macquarie St succeeded and the Orange by-election ran into trouble.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 20 Oct 2017 08:13
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Dr Rick Symonds should be looking at cutting out bend starts and ensuring tracks have a good straight run to the first bend and improving the cambers of each track otherwise, GRNSW should be sending him packing
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 08:32
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Joe Baldacchino wrote:
The words 'this Century' was what got me with that article. One must wonder what they'll say when the crowd levels out next year or the year thereafter.....
Mark Donohue wrote:
They were spruiking on Nine, Sydney this morning, that Randwick on Saturday had the largest crowd this century for the Everest ? Yes, but it wasn't for the Everest, it was for the concert to see Jason Derulo for one hour after the last. Well done to them. . We need to do 1000% better in advertising and promotion, especially in NSW that's for sure !
Joe, Funny thing that you mention it. The media have corrected the 'biggest crowd this century' quote because apparently it wasn't! Talking about getting help where it's needed or just sensationalising the moment. GRNSW should be looking for a good promo for our G1s as an example. . Also, I know for a fact that 'people' love our sport. I had five kids cuddle my three the other day. I might take the kids to the local track one day. Of course there are people who don't, but we should have incentives to help the industry grow.
John Quarman Australia (Verified User) Posts 236 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 08:35
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The punting public love greyhound racing The rest of the left driven world Hate us ..Hate them back they are only maggots on society
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 09:00
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My estimates are this....
1 out of every 1000 people HATE greyhound racing. 50 out of every 1000 people LOVE greyhound racing. 949 out of every 1000 people have no opinion on the sport whatsoever.
But it's the 949 people who are subjected to negative advertising campaigns by the likes of animals australia and peta. And negative media stories, mostly by OUR ABC. And d1ckhead radio people like Derryn Hinch, Neil Mitchell, Ben Fordham, Laws, etc. The 949 people of the public never hear of anything positive about our sport. Even something simple as how fast they run, the sound of 8 dogs flying down the straight (I remember the noise the ground made when Zambora Brockie thundered down the straight in his Ballarat Cup heat....exhillarating..)
I remember seeing this as a kid on TV. EXTERNAL LINK How good is that??? We spend a squillion on the crack welfare squad, trying to catch out all us uneducated rogues. I'd love to see the board of any state have a meeting and say 'you know what, weve had 2500 kennel inspections this month and issued 25 breaches of the code of conduct. Its a friggin waste of money. Lets spend a bit of money on TV advertising and get a few billboards happening around the city'
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4317 Dogs 0 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 09:05
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Negativity is the poorer relation of Positivity, I think Jamie has the right idea, keep promoting this great product, and try your best, to achieve a prosperous future for all in the end. Keep up the good work mate, and we will, I hope never have to march again my friend.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 09:28
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I was first registered in 1979 ive been registered ever since as an owner trainer . Publicic trainer. Breeder . Ive stood 4 stud dogs and bred my share of litters . I've been registered in WA .NSW .and VIC. Ive literally seen it all Australian cup etc . I find myself in VIC these days as i am being treated at The Alfred Hospital for terminal cancer . Ive had a period of about 16 months without greyhounds and in that time NSW had the ban and many changes have been made supposedly to bring Australia up to worlds best practices. I now have a 22 month old greyhound . Cost over 1,000 to house him . I cook his food and love him like i have loved all my greyhounds over my 38 year journey. This is my point ...I cant even name my dog and start racing him . I have watched this industry change. The powers to be couldn't give a damn about my participation even though i have never incured any fine or any suspension ever . The public actually believe what was pushed down their throats ! People i have spoken to here in VIC and NSW that aren't involved within our industry are saying the sport is cruel it is animal slavery real men get real jobs and it goes on and on . I will never give up trying to participate in the greyhound industry however i see the sport dying a death of a thousand cuts . There may have been 1200 people at the Adelaide cup enjoying the night. THERE IS NO HELP OR SUPPORT! I'm 58 but what about the 18.28.38.48.68.78.year old participants that are being brushed through the cracks . The government is shutting us down. They have the public right where they want them .
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 10:08
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Jamie, The first one (1980s) is by far the better of the two.
Larry Valenti Australia (Verified User) Posts 2141 Dogs 3 / Races 0 20 Oct 2017 10:28
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Im in that ad by the way we shot it at midnight at olympic park we went home and took 8 dogs to Adelaide for the cup semis . Now i cant even name my own greyhound . What a way to end . The public are being used as a tool to dismantle greyhound racing.
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