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John Cole Australia (Verified User) Posts 24 Dogs 2 / Races 0 20 Dec 2017 00:24
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In WA during Nov/Dec over 30 dogs have been sighted by the stewards. Do you think the hoop lure is partly to blame.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 20 Dec 2017 03:36
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Depends. Can you trial on the hoop lure and get a bite-on with a real reward???
Brett Margerison Australia (Verified User) Posts 690 Dogs 16 / Races 0 20 Dec 2017 04:47
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john cole wrote:
In WA during Nov/Dec over 30 dogs have been sighted by the stewards. Do you think the hoop lure is partly to blame.
How many flying rabbits have you seen lately???...
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1438 Dogs 24 / Races 127 20 Dec 2017 06:48
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plenty of dogs in Vic won't chase the hoop lure either
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 20 Dec 2017 09:13
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They are not interested in chasing a bunch of flying rags. There's plenty of dogs getting outed in Victoria.
Kev Galloway Australia (Verified User) Posts 2447 Dogs 5 / Races 0 20 Dec 2017 11:15
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
Depends. Can you trial on the hoop lure and get a bite-on with a real reward???
Give them a race reward and see the difference,look at New Zealand ninety nine percent chase.
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 20 Dec 2017 11:34
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I can't see any reason why we cannot use the same lure here, Kev. If it results in the dogs chasing properly, isn't that the aim in the first place ? What we have at present certainly isn't working.
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 20 Dec 2017 20:52
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New Zealand doesnt have a standard type of lure theres a different lure at every track and personally I dont think it matters what they chase, if they dont finish on to it
The FOL has been used at Geelong for 7 meetings now (although one was cancelled due to heat policy) and the nominations are way up as compared to normal meetings. The meetings prior to the FOL had around 135 noms whilst they have averaged 166 for the FOL meetings.
Its going to take the dogs a little time to get used to finishing onto the lure in a race but so far, in total for those meetings, stewards have handed out 3 FTP and issued 3 warnings
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 20 Dec 2017 21:33
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Geoff you have got to be joking! Of course it matters what they chase! They are chasing "HENRY THE OCTOPUS" suspended in flight. The N.Z. system leaves our Hoop Lure joke for dead.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 20 Dec 2017 21:51
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Geoff Collins wrote:
New Zealand doesnt have a standard type of lure theres a different lure at every track and personally I dont think it matters what they chase, if they dont finish on to it
The FOL has been used at Geelong for 7 meetings now (although one was cancelled due to heat policy) and the nominations are way up as compared to normal meetings. The meetings prior to the FOL had around 135 noms whilst they have averaged 166 for the FOL meetings.
Its going to take the dogs a little time to get used to finishing onto the lure in a race but so far, in total for those meetings, stewards have handed out 3 FTP and issued 3 warnings
I have to agree Geoff it is all about the REWARD ...No matter if it is a Plastic bag they will chase it but if you dont give some kind of reward as they do in all Canine sports and Working Dog enviroments then they will go off the Chase and get distracted ..
No reward . No Chase
Peter Griffen Australia (Verified User) Posts 92 Dogs 21 / Races 0 21 Dec 2017 01:03
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I think the victorian dogs filled out a survey and said they see blue and yellow the best.
I think it was conducted by MONKEY SURVEY'S Inc
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 21 Dec 2017 01:33
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Mark Staines wrote:
Geoff you have got to be joking! Of course it matters what they chase! They are chasing "HENRY THE OCTOPUS" suspended in flight. The N.Z. system leaves our Hoop Lure joke for dead.
Mark ... in 2008, at Albion Park with the normal horizontal lure into the pen, the suspension rate was 1 in 15 races
In 2010, at Albion Park finishing on to the hoop lure, the suspension rate was 1 in 69 races
In 2012, at Albion Park with the hoop lure into the pen, the suspension rate was 1 in 12.5 races
Both the horizontal lure and the hoop lure into the pen had similar figures, it was the finishing on that made the difference (2010)
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 21 Dec 2017 03:48
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peter griffen wrote:
I think the victorian dogs filled out a survey and said they see blue and yellow the best.
I think it was conducted by MONKEY SURVEY'S Inc
Lmao
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 21 Dec 2017 09:14
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Geoff Collins wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Geoff you have got to be joking! Of course it matters what they chase! They are chasing "HENRY THE OCTOPUS" suspended in flight. The N.Z. system leaves our Hoop Lure joke for dead.
Mark ... in 2008, at Albion Park with the normal horizontal lure into the pen, the suspension rate was 1 in 15 races
In 2010, at Albion Park finishing on to the hoop lure, the suspension rate was 1 in 69 races
In 2012, at Albion Park with the hoop lure into the pen, the suspension rate was 1 in 12.5 races
Both the horizontal lure and the hoop lure into the pen had similar figures, it was the finishing on that made the difference (2010)
Geoff any stats obtained before the "S%&T HIT THE FAN" are irrelevant!
Paul Wheeler Australia (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 8 / Races 0 21 Dec 2017 09:32
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Mark I disagree stats from any time are relevant especially now when all tools to get dogs to chase have been taken away
Had a steward tell me we cannot even kick a leather foot ball around for our dogs to chase as it made from animal products
In my opinion the finish on lure is a must otherwise we are in big trouble as breeding numbers are down and infringements are up which makes our problem of not enough dogs even more severe.
The only choice we have is to give our dogs more encouragement to chase and the finish on lure does that look at the stats and NZ
Paw
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 21 Dec 2017 10:00
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I am all for the FOL Paw, why did it take so long to eventuate ??? I am not a Fan of the Hoop Lure, to many Dogs are now covering more ground than the "Leyland Bros".
Paul Wheeler Australia (Verified User) Posts 329 Dogs 8 / Races 0 21 Dec 2017 22:38
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Mark I have toured around the USA to a lot of tracks and I have also spoken to Robert Britton about this same subject and he agrees so by all means give Robert a call to check it out. Most Australia dog tracks bends are about 45 meter in radius and in the US their bends are about 35 meter radius and there interference is less than what we have in Aus.
The reason is their lure is set about 2.4 metres (8 feet ) off the rail what this does is spreads the field over more of the track and decreases interference . Our lure has been around 1 meter or less off the rail drawing the field all in close to the rail increasing interference ,which causes injuries and encouraging dogs to marr. A dogs natural way to chase is the shortest route to catch the lure which is directly behind it.
What I am see with the hoop lure is it is spreading the field over the track because it is further off the rail than past lures giving us cleaner racing ,the next step should be FOL to help keep our dogs chasing
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 21 Dec 2017 23:11
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I really don't know what every State Association is waiting for
There are so many non-chasers doing the rounds now it is becoming ridiculous & embarrassing
The concept of reward training is the basis of all dog training, greyhounds or otherwise
The fact that greyhounds are not given a reward for their efforts, even if it is the opportunity to catch a few synthetic rags, goes against basic dog training philosophy
If they really had the interest of welfare at heart for this sport Greyhounds Australasia should enforce the FOL as a compulsory policy around the country, with no exceptions
Loren Harborne Australia (Verified User) Posts 74 Dogs 9 / Races 1 21 Dec 2017 23:47
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And now because of the ridiculous amount of non chasers they are having to run special "clearance trial sessions". These have never been required in the past.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5958 Dogs 8 / Races 0 22 Dec 2017 01:06
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Let me get this straight...
We now need to bring something totally new into the sport, to fix a problem that was introduced, when there was no problem in the first place ?
Funniest thread ever. There's some absolute masters of minds on this site and in this sport.
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