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Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Mar 2018 02:21
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charles w mizzi wrote:
Posted on behalf of Kerry Chalker and other innocent participants sacrificed to achieve a political end.
So yesterday marked 3 years since the GRV suspended a group of registered trainers for [supposedly]using live rabbits to trial their greyhounds.
While there is no dispute some of these trainers were aware of their actions in using live animals, most were trialling on the basis that the rabbits used were properly euthanized by the track operator as was accepted practice by GRV stewards & the RSPCA.
Over the past 3 years a large group of the trainers protested their innocence at RADB & subsequently through VCAT.
The costs of defending their innocence & the viciousness they were subjected to in defending themselves proved too much for some- & who could blame them-GRV spent massive amounts of money to persecute these people.
What should be remembered here is that the trial track in question Tooradin-was operated under licence from the GRV & operated under their regulations .
How slack/lazy were the stewards that routinely arrived at Tooradin for inspections & found nothing wrong-there are many stories that the Stewards on these occasions didnt even bother to get out of their cars-& yes, these are the same Stewards still employed by GRV & from my understanding earning far greater salaries-nice reward for not doing a job properly.
One of the trainers charged, Mr. Brett Mackie, was eventually found not guilty at VCAT after spending possibly $60000/$70000 to prove his innocence-none of which is recoverable.
While GRV has highlighted the disqualifications it has never bothered to mention anywhere of Mr. Mackies innocence-fair-no not likely.
It was most disappointing through this harrowing period that an organisation I feel is a must to belong to-GOTBA-never at any stage stood up to GRV & questioned their approach to persecuting these people-many of whom had been greyhound participants for decades. Surely this is the point of having the GOTBA- to speak out for the participants that they represent-GRV certainly wont.
Although a number of trainers subsequently had their charges dropped by the RSPCA they continued to be pursued by GRV.
I was one of the trainers involved & to this moment continue my statement of innocence-the Judge at VCAT finding me guilty on a technicality.
I spent more than $75000 defending myself & also lost the contract to the business that I had operated for more than 50 years. I am still in contact with a large number of participants, all of whom feel that this has been handled appallingly by GRV, who it would appear to have harmed itself by its heavy-handedness & apparent belief that all participants are cheats.
Through my 50 years of involvement with greyhounds I have found the participant's to be honourable & fair & have a great love for their dogs.
Finally I thought it a little odd that the, almost vicious, PROSECUTOR employed for most cases at RADB & VCAT-Paul Holdenson Q C prosecuting rabbit cases, last week was in court DEFENDING a human rabbit[drug criminal].
What a sad ending to 3 years of hell.
Kerry Chalker
Footnote 22/03/18
Comment by Kerry Chalker
Just a comment on the debacle that the Andrews government has brought on itself.
Listening to Mr Pakula this morning denying any knowledge of the election rort-even though some of that money was spent on his behalf-brings up the thought of trainers at Tooradin having no knowledge of live rabbits being used but were found by RADB under the absolute liability rule to be guilty.
This is the RADB & GRV CEO-public servant MR. Clayton-appointed by and responsible to Mr Pakula.
Could it be that Mr Pakula laid a heavy hand on these appointees to make a point to the industry?
Could it be that absolute liability was applied to make a point to the industry?
How can it now be denied by Mr Pakula that "no knowledge is a defence" in his case and absolute liability does not apply to him and the Labor Government....... hypocrisy at its worst!
Why is it that we trainers were condemned by Mr Pakula thru GRV and yet he sees himself and other Ministers not guilty of "absolute liability".
These people seek to absolve themselves of any responsibility and yet are quick to freely use innocent people as sacrificial lambs to slaughter in a vote saving exercise.
As I said-HYPOCRITES
Kerry Chalker
The 3AW interviews from this mornings Neil Mitchell program.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Mar 2018 04:36
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charles w mizzi wrote:
charles w mizzi wrote:
Posted on behalf of Kerry Chalker and other innocent participants sacrificed to achieve a political end.
So yesterday marked 3 years since the GRV suspended a group of registered trainers for [supposedly]using live rabbits to trial their greyhounds.
While there is no dispute some of these trainers were aware of their actions in using live animals, most were trialling on the basis that the rabbits used were properly euthanized by the track operator as was accepted practice by GRV stewards & the RSPCA.
Over the past 3 years a large group of the trainers protested their innocence at RADB & subsequently through VCAT.
The costs of defending their innocence & the viciousness they were subjected to in defending themselves proved too much for some- & who could blame them-GRV spent massive amounts of money to persecute these people.
What should be remembered here is that the trial track in question Tooradin-was operated under licence from the GRV & operated under their regulations .
How slack/lazy were the stewards that routinely arrived at Tooradin for inspections & found nothing wrong-there are many stories that the Stewards on these occasions didnt even bother to get out of their cars-& yes, these are the same Stewards still employed by GRV & from my understanding earning far greater salaries-nice reward for not doing a job properly.
One of the trainers charged, Mr. Brett Mackie, was eventually found not guilty at VCAT after spending possibly $60000/$70000 to prove his innocence-none of which is recoverable.
While GRV has highlighted the disqualifications it has never bothered to mention anywhere of Mr. Mackies innocence-fair-no not likely.
It was most disappointing through this harrowing period that an organisation I feel is a must to belong to-GOTBA-never at any stage stood up to GRV & questioned their approach to persecuting these people-many of whom had been greyhound participants for decades. Surely this is the point of having the GOTBA- to speak out for the participants that they represent-GRV certainly wont.
Although a number of trainers subsequently had their charges dropped by the RSPCA they continued to be pursued by GRV.
I was one of the trainers involved & to this moment continue my statement of innocence-the Judge at VCAT finding me guilty on a technicality.
I spent more than $75000 defending myself & also lost the contract to the business that I had operated for more than 50 years. I am still in contact with a large number of participants, all of whom feel that this has been handled appallingly by GRV, who it would appear to have harmed itself by its heavy-handedness & apparent belief that all participants are cheats.
Through my 50 years of involvement with greyhounds I have found the participant's to be honourable & fair & have a great love for their dogs.
Finally I thought it a little odd that the, almost vicious, PROSECUTOR employed for most cases at RADB & VCAT-Paul Holdenson Q C prosecuting rabbit cases, last week was in court DEFENDING a human rabbit[drug criminal].
What a sad ending to 3 years of hell.
Kerry Chalker
Footnote 22/03/18
Comment by Kerry Chalker
Just a comment on the debacle that the Andrews government has brought on itself.
Listening to Mr Pakula this morning denying any knowledge of the election rort-even though some of that money was spent on his behalf-brings up the thought of trainers at Tooradin having no knowledge of live rabbits being used but were found by RADB under the absolute liability rule to be guilty.
This is the RADB & GRV CEO-public servant MR. Clayton-appointed by and responsible to Mr Pakula.
Could it be that Mr Pakula laid a heavy hand on these appointees to make a point to the industry?
Could it be that absolute liability was applied to make a point to the industry?
How can it now be denied by Mr Pakula that "no knowledge is a defence" in his case and absolute liability does not apply to him and the Labor Government....... hypocrisy at its worst!
Why is it that we trainers were condemned by Mr Pakula thru GRV and yet he sees himself and other Ministers not guilty of "absolute liability".
These people seek to absolve themselves of any responsibility and yet are quick to freely use innocent people as sacrificial lambs to slaughter in a vote saving exercise.
As I said-HYPOCRITES
Kerry Chalker
The 3AW interviews from this mornings Neil Mitchell program.
Charles thanks for supporting those people who cannot be heard
Innocent people have been physically emotionally damage by the actions of the racing Minister and the GRV .. The INNOCENT MUST HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY ...I AM NOT GUILTY
So many people and there families and friends have been affected .
Many have lost everything trying to defend there names ..
The facts are the GRV and the OWNERS OF TOORADIN TRIAL TRACK and all the compliance and the stewards who inspected these tracks should of been more Harshly delt with IMO ...
The GOTBA is like a pet project of Big Al and they do nothing for anyone anymore and it has been a terrible state of affairs when such a strong group years ago could not even defend the INNOCENT of today ..
Many of there peers spoke out against these Friends these comrades and today many should take a good hard look in the mirror and look at the bigger picture ..People have been RAILROADED SET UP ..MADE TO BE THE SCAPE GOATS FOR THE INDUSTRY .
OUR INDUSTRY IS SELF DESTRUCTING FROM WITHIN ....
Not one big name Owner Trainer or Breeder has stepped forward to demand our sport back because like the GRV they lack compassion dignity and any real self worth ....WEAK AS PI$$
Selfish self opinionated pigs with there SNOATS IN THE TROFF
Can i get a AMEN Charles....
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 22 Mar 2018 07:20
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Amen..........the "Turn the other cheek" mentality has not worked and in this environment will never work.
I believe in South Australia GRSA worked with participants and in WA the trainers took a stand and were listened too.
The Eastern seaboard have all steam rolled their participants (apart from the compliant ones) and the fight is not over. After todays revelations the Labor Party in Victoria are not looking good for November.
We will have an opportunity to correct the many wrongs that have been committed by many, they know who they are.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Mar 2018 23:31
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Ross,
To address "In other words, is just being a customer of someone who breaches a rule enough to constitute 'using or causing to use' a live animal?"
In this case, absolutely, with bells on. The customer was not there for a stroll in the park. Obviously, he would also have watched the trial taking place. And he would have paid for it, which is conclusive.
The question of a non-participating trainer just looking on is much trickier. Leave that for the lawyers.
Equally tricky would be those trainers trialling there but without using live bait.
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Mar 2018 23:59
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Ross,
To address "In other words, is just being a customer of someone who breaches a rule enough to constitute 'using or causing to use' a live animal?"
In this case, absolutely, with bells on. The customer was not there for a stroll in the park. Obviously, he would also have watched the trial taking place. And he would have paid for it, which is conclusive.
The question of a non-participating trainer just looking on is much trickier. Leave that for the lawyers.
Equally tricky would be those trainers trialling there but without using live bait.
Bruce, in fairness you cannot comment on this one without knowing all the facts and process and actually being a dog trainer would help and you are not. Happy to send you my mobile to chat about this one as it has destroyed peoples lives, livelihood's and I know for fact that 70% of the charged people have done nothing wrong.
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Mar 2018 00:40
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The AGE article re RORTING they new exactly what they were doing!
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 25 Mar 2018 00:47
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Ross,
To address "In other words, is just being a customer of someone who breaches a rule enough to constitute 'using or causing to use' a live animal?"
In this case, absolutely, with bells on. The customer was not there for a stroll in the park. Obviously, he would also have watched the trial taking place. And he would have paid for it, which is conclusive...........
Bruce, you shld really refrain from talking about something you know very little about.
FYI a trainer(at that time), was:
1. allowed to ask for a DEAD 'fresh' rabbit to be placed on the arm mainly to prevent his dog picking up any infections from other dogs. The owner of the trial track then provides an unused DEAD rabbit which then either himself or a trial track attendant wld tie onto the arm.
2. up to 40m away from the lure, walking his dog to the boxes, running final checks on the dog, making sure the dog is ready to trial.
3. making sure the dog has a clear path to the boxes avoiding objects such as other trainers, their dogs and spring loaded gates, which are there to make sure dogs don't escape the trial area when free galloping, causing unnecessary damage to themselves.
4. rubbing the dog down and securing the dog to be placed into the boxes in a correct manner ensuring the door to the box is properly secured. If there's a manual box start, at times the trainer is also in charge of securing the release of the boxes.
How then Bruce ("with bells on"), is the trainer also supposed to make sure the processes with regard to tying a dead rabbit onto the lure are also being adhered to ?
Your comments of late regarding the grass roots processes in dog racing leave a lot to the imagination and cast dispersion as to the validity of other comments you've made re the handling of these processes.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Mar 2018 01:04
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Ryan Spot on .. The Mass Slaughter of Owners Trainers Breeders by the GRV and the Victorian Government..
This will not go away not until we have a Government Inquiry on the Wrong doings and the Rorting within the Labour Government
The Racing Minister and Alan Clayton have a lot to Answer for and i Believe Big Al will be gone soon ..
....There is no way in Hell Greyhound Members are going to let the INNOCENT cop this wrath for the GUILTY ..
The GUILTY have pled Guilty and are now enjoying life when many Innocent people to this day have to endure the stigma and condemnation from the industry and there peers and many have lost their life savings trying to defend there name ...
This is bloody terrible to witness when i hear the story's and the pain many are feeling right now ...
I believe many of the Solicitors and Barristers defending the innocent led many down the WRONG PATH and in fact have stuffed up many cases going forward ...
i do believe it is a conspiracy to silence the Greyhound Industry by STEALTH ....from WITHIN
ps Also i am also aware of many Members getting threatened for posts on Social Media by the PTB and the GRV and i have also been threatened many times but i truly believe if its the truth then we must speak up regardless of the consequences .....
I encourage others to speak up for there Friends and comrades ....
Charles Ross and myself and others will continue on with this battle but please support those that have no voice because we all understand the industry where we were and were we are today and the old saying
People in Glass Houses should not throw stones .....
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Mar 2018 01:31
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charles w mizzi wrote:
The AGE article re RORTING they new exactly what they were doing!
Keep this up Charles and they will create another "Ministerial Position".... "Honourable Minister" for Ministerial Rorting Cover up's! Here in NSW, since 2000 they have created 14 new Ministerial Positions! Jobs for the Boys??
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Mar 2018 04:33
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Ryan,
I commented in principle on a question related to a "live animal".
You addressed a completely different subject - ie dead animals.
However, your man with the dead animal is chancing his arm to patronise a track where live baiting is going on. I am also intrigued by your apparent detailed knowledge of different methods of attaching a dead bait to the lure arm, and of the Tooraddin track generally.
Incidentally, are the rules about dead rabbit attachment procedures signposted somewhere or is it passed on by word of mouth? Are pigs treated differently to rabbits? I realise this is academic now but it would be interesting to know how professional they were. I am always keen to add to my knowledge and I never get near trial tracks.
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1438 Dogs 24 / Races 126 25 Mar 2018 06:48
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Bruce
I have never much commented on your posts or replies, in this case you have no idea what your talking about, the individual cases, what evidence was provided, what ruling people where charged under or the facts on the day.
The police, rspca, local court, rabd, vcat all found one participant not guilty due to no evidence, lack of evidence and wrong rule interpretation etc
I might add anyone in the industry with any common sense that viewed the basic evidence could clearly see this participant did not knowingly know what was going.
Q. Why did GRV appeal, appeal, appeal again and appeal again to the supreme court (highest in the state) where their resources/funding was no issue what so ever (wait till it comes out how much they spent)
Simply to hide their own mistakes and pressure from above to make examples of people with the by product now being further rules changes that will strangle the industry in Vic and see further participant be found guilty of many offences without there knowledge.
2 questions.
Most people don't know that there was hundreds of hours filmed over many months (we know ABC picked only certain sections of film to dramatise the issue).
1. A participant is seen trialling 30-40 times, if it's a boys club and collusion like GRV openly stated (and ABC) why was there only one incident that they were charged for on the one day. (NB the media/GRV published information indicating trials took place out of business hours/in the dark etc (this didn't occur once in the months of filming)
2. On the video released, you don't see where the stationary lure is when the participant boxes the dog. Well I can tell you it was 100m away around a corner in the back straight. I don't know anyone who has the eye sight to identify a moving animal (that has a double leather strap holding it down horizontally) from that distance.
Why would a participant think this trial was any different to the other 40 when they did the same thing each time, didn't ask for, didn't see them prepare the lure, didn't pay for, didn't provide it, didn't discuss it, didn't even look at the lure ?
GRV needed to hide their own mistakes as it happened under their watch, in business hours, at a licensed track that they regularly inspected AND ministers have done background deals so they applied pressure from above
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Mar 2018 20:09
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Ryan,
I commented in principle on a question related to a "live animal".
You addressed a completely different subject - ie dead animals.
However, your man with the dead animal is chancing his arm to patronise a track where live baiting is going on. I am also intrigued by your apparent detailed knowledge of different methods of attaching a dead bait to the lure arm, and of the Tooraddin track generally.
Incidentally, are the rules about dead rabbit attachment procedures signposted somewhere or is it passed on by word of mouth? Are pigs treated differently to rabbits? I realise this is academic now but it would be interesting to know how professional they were. I am always keen to add to my knowledge and I never get near trial tracks.
Bruce ....Are Pigs treated defiantly to Rabbits ....Yes they are ..
Rabbits need a good soak in salty brine before roasting to take out the game taste ..
Now the little baby pig needs caressing and if you have a Ziegler and Brown then it takes 30 min and then you must wrap in foil and then cook slow for 3 hours to hold in the juices....
The GRV knew were the rabbits were keeped on track at all times . Trial tracks had rules to follow from the GRV .
Bruce if you need some details about Tooradin give me a ring because i would be very happy to EDUCATE yourself ..
I will also give you the details of OWNERS who still today sit in power even after there dogs were trained by the GUILTY LIVE BAITERS ....
I can name the Guilty and i can also tell you the Owners of the dogs they trained and as i said PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES ...
Just wait Bruce because i can see this getting down and dirty over the next few Months and trust me many will be also be thrown under the bus ...
Bruce if you were Innocent of these Charges what would you do and how would you of handled the situation because personally I would of gone out Head Hunting regardless of the consequences ....
The Mills Family who Owned and Operated the track have got off very very light compared to the innocent and in fact some would say how in the hell can GUILTY PEOPLE be able to walk away without any JAIL time or huge fines ..
We all now Mills has been Head steward Chief Grader and has worked at the GRV for as long as i can remember ..
It was his Father and Brothers track in fact i am told it was Owned by other Mills family members as well so tell me Bruce how is it possible these things have taken place and LIFE for the Guilty has been a very easy process .
The Innocent sit and suffer and please tell me how is this fair ...
I have no problems at all exposing the Owners of the dogs trained by the Guilty live baiters Bruce ...
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Bruce i am also aware that AA and the GRV have in there possession Illegal video and pictures ....
These video's and Pictures were handed to the GRV ....FACT
GRV have held onto these tapes and Pictures .....
Bruce ......Why have these things happened and why have these tapes been locked away ...
I also know who and what is on those tapes Bruce and trust me if i get suspended fined for speaking the truth then i will further expose the LIES AND HIDDEN TAPES and Pictures...
Bruce we all seen and Heard Charlie Wilson and his antics and how he tried to throw me and others under the bus and i believe the GRV and Animals Australia made a deal because half of what Charlie had to say was true .....
Bruce There is many levels to this corruption ..so many things have been covered up by the PTB ....and as i said the Racing Minister and the head of the GRV have there own Skeletons to hide away ..
Bassina ....he was aware of the Tapes the pictures the truth but what did he do when confronted with these facts
HE WALKED AWAY HE QUIT.... gutless pathetic..Dog
Bruce when these tapes were handed to Bassina from Lyn White he decided to deal with it by doing a deal with AA ....and as i said Bassina QUIT a week or two later after receiving this information .
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2018 04:59
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FROM ANOTHER THREAD TITLED "INDEPENDANT RADB" BUT RELEVANT TO THIS ONE.
Let me give you a picture of the independent RADB. I had a meeting with the incoming CEO Alan Clayton on the same day that the direction hearings were on re the Tooradin debacle on the floor beneath where I was sitting. Three things came from that meeting, 1. The overwhelming view about overbreeding(now proven to be rubbish) 2. A question of "can you guarantee Live Baiting no longer is happening(ridicules in the context of there are speeding laws, can you guarantee no one will speed) 3. John Wardle the chair of the RADB at the time comes up from below, I am sitting in AC's office, he excuses himself saying he needs to speak with Wardle, Wardle says to him, "I can speak to you about this but I cannot speak to you about that. This was plainly for my benefit as had I not been sitting there nothing would have been said. Add to this at that time the CEO's secretary was also the registrar for the RADB and the RADB was in the same building. Of course we trust that no discussions were taking place (ball tampering) unless you actually get caught out. RADB penalties took a dramatic turn around in June of last year. Everyone was being disqualified, this means having to go thru the entire process to get your license back. It was taking up to 8 months! People were dropping out and not returning, I am one of those. In June the stewards began to recommend suspension in place of disqual because disqual was so onerous to get a license back and with suspension your license remains intact and is handed back. The RADB did a complete turnaround. Go look at the results, it is there in black and white. There is a lot more to the RADB's of all codes than meets the eye. This system has failed participants and has been used to bully and intimidate. This begins when Tooradin was exposed and people were made examples of, the innocent along with the guilty. This is not over.
Anthony McVicker Australia (Verified User) Posts 1438 Dogs 24 / Races 126 30 Mar 2018 06:33
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when are those that were treated unfairly under the interpretation of the rules, which falls inline with RADB change in penalties joining forces for a class action ?
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 30 Mar 2018 06:42
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Anthony McVicker wrote:
when are those that were treated unfairly under the interpretation of the rules, which falls inline with RADB change in penalties joining forces for a class action ?
Anthony, When certain cases that are still ongoing are completed. Nothing moves quickly in the legal world and also stretching things out is advantageous to the ones with the biggest purse!
Its not over yet!
Ross Farmer Australia (Verified User) Posts 208 Dogs 0 / Races 1 30 Mar 2018 10:39
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It was only a few years ago that I had never trialled at a private track.
Before I did, I checked the rules, to find that the track manager and/or registered assistant managers control track operations.
So I asked the routine at the start. All I needed to do was box my dog. No mention of lure.
From where I was, the lure could have been virtually anything.
So was a bit surprised when the arm came around with a dead rabbit on it.
Then I found that the RSPCA was OK with using humanely killed rabbits, as were stewards.
From what I have seen of the Tooradin footage, the actions of most were just normal trialling, and consistent with a customer interested in the performance of their dog.
It appalls me that, if the rabbit had not been effectively killed, I could have been charged in circumstances where I trialled in compliance with all rules applying at the time.
Clearly the rules governing trial tracks were deficient, along with ineffective compliance management - Australia-wide. Yet the regulatory focus seems to be on those placed at risk by such deficiencies.
And from what I am aware of from published decisions, none identified the specific actions represented actual rules breaches. The rules place the responsibility for the lure with the track operator, yet a responsibility for 'customers' to check the lure seemed to have been created for the purposes of the legal actions.
It is just common sense that when a track operator commits an offence, just being there as a customer whose actions cannot be distinguished from a compliant customer is not enough. There has to be something more.
For info Bruce, most of those found guilty were deemed guilty due to the rabbit not being humanely killed by the track operator. The absolute liability interpretation gave those involved no defence. A defence would have been available had the strict liability interpretation been applied, as has now been determined by the Supreme Court, which potentially opens up every case for review.
And so the saga continues.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Mar 2018 21:46
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Anthony,
Like some others, you have assumed things I did not say.
"Bruce I have never much commented on your posts or replies, in this case you have no idea what your talking about, the individual cases, what evidence was provided, what ruling people where charged under or the facts on the day".
Exactly, that was why I asked a couple of questions. No more, no less.
At Tooradin, and to some extent in the other two states, the story is incomplete. What we need is a comprehensive report on everything that happened, whether at the trials or elsewhere. All we have are snippets here and there, always from the parties involved, including the various authorities.
Worryingly, there is some direct and indirect evidence that a number of participants were happy to either join in live baiting or to trial at a spot where it was clear live baiting went on. Some were sanctioned, some were not. Some were set loose because of illegally obtained evidence. Then there is debate about conviction and appeal processes. All very confusing. All deserving of a major independent inquiry (yes another one).
One reason I make that last point is that all four official inquiries (incl two in Vic) all treated the symptom and not the disease. That is, they did not look into WHY it all happened, only into WHAT happened. This is the same misguided thinking that came up with overbreeding as the reason for excessive euthanasia. They dealt with the fluff and not with the substance.
Do you have questions about greyhound racing?
