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Statement on Supreme Court Decision on Water Bowlpage  1 2 3 

John Robinson
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05 Mar 2018 01:13


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Carole Brown wrote:

Good news, Jodie.

Where can we get a copy of the full hearing as to me there has been no mention that exemptions have selectively been given or the justice would not surely have made the statement that has been quoted by the GRNSW press report writer to me there are more than one exemption given I have been told that one participant was told we can not give exemptions as there is a case going to court maybe GRNSW can inform us how many exemptions were granted and what the front line stewards thought of the way this rule was forced on us by Mr Dodd who is I believe not with us now.


Ronald Lambert
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05 Mar 2018 04:38


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TONY mestrov welcomes the gudgment of the supreme court.Rule86 trainers must comply with this rule or any other rule of animal welfare.Because of animal wellfare issues it is illegal to sell or transfer a greyhound anywhere that does not comply with grnsw animal welfare laws,rules. Therefore does Tony Mestrov have a problem,change the rule or enforce the ban on greyhounds being raced or transfered to other states that do not comply with grnsw animal welfare,he cant allow owners traners to race or transfere greyhounds to other states, if it was so important to go to court over a animal welfare issue then he must enforce it.the welfare of greyhounds is at stake. PS I like to be able to give a dog water in its kennel after a race especially if it has to be their for three or four races no problem



Anthony McVicker
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05 Mar 2018 05:57


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Tony Mestrov is another Alan Clayton, weak as water. He statement and opening address said it all


Mark Staines
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05 Mar 2018 06:00


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"SPOT ON"


Charles W Mizzi
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05 Mar 2018 06:40


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Anthony McVicker wrote:

Tony Mestrov is another Alan Clayton, weak as water. He statement and opening address said it all

NOTHING MORE THAN POLITICAL PUPPETS WHO HAVE NO EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA. THIS IS THE WEAKEST LINK, MESTROV IS ONE THING I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 2 I C IN NSW.


Trevor Hagney
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06 Mar 2018 03:17


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What I found intriguing in the Supreme Court judges comments was that he is also an animal behavior expert.
To comment that "Any particular dog,that could cause pain or suffering by having a water bowl in its kennel, should not be allowed to be a racing dog.Licensed trainers should know to not nominate such dogs."
Has this bloke ever seen a wound up race dog in a race kennel. Before mandatory water buckets these dogs would rip their bedding to shreds.Now they have the chance of severe lacerations with PAIN and SUFFERING guaranteed.
Seems the judge shot carly down for attacking the board and its policy rather than attacking the rule itself.
Yet again we have no support from the judicial and political ruling class.
MLC Borsack and the SFF involvement in the sport could be our best chance of being heard in Macquarrie St.


Simon Moore
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06 Mar 2018 03:27


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have alan jones or ray hadley been contacted about this?

i'm sure they'd be interested in this type of thing.

they hate seeing people like this woman copping it unfairly.


Trevor Hagney
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06 Mar 2018 03:34


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I have a young race bitch that is scaring the stewards. After only being kennelled for 30 minutes for 2 performance trials she had annialated her kennel and destroyed her water bucket.
They advised me to request a test for exemption next time I kennelled her.This involves the stewards installing a clamping devise on your water bucket.If the dog still removes the bucket from its housing an exemption will be considered. That's as far as I have got at the moment.


John Robinson
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06 Mar 2018 21:33


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if you are having trouble with a dog keep reporting the problem and most importantly put in a request to have an exemption from the water bucket rule for the problem dog, make sure you do it IN WRITING to the steward in charge of the meeting and ask them or you take photos of the problem remember the stewards are bound by the same rules as the trainers the difference is we have to abide by the rules they have to implement and police them.
It is my opinion that we can hope that common sense will avail with this rule.
The stewards need to be allowed to show common sense as there have been a lot of dogs injured by the bucket.
Trevor there are a lot of people will try to create ways of stopping the dog removing the bucket from the door and destroying the bucket but in the mean time your dog can destroy the tendons near the stopper bone pulling it of with its front leg. the test you are being asked to do in my opinion creates more chance of injuries to the dog.



Dan Hollywood
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07 Mar 2018 03:31


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john robinson wrote:

Carole Brown wrote:

Good news, Jodie.

Where can we get a copy of the full hearing as to me there has been no mention that exemptions have selectively been given or the justice would not surely have made the statement that has been quoted by the GRNSW press report writer to me there are more than one exemption given I have been told that one participant was told we can not give exemptions as there is a case going to court maybe GRNSW can inform us how many exemptions were granted and what the front line stewards thought of the way this rule was forced on us by Mr Dodd who is I believe not with us now.

EXTERNAL LINK


John Robinson
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thank you Dan for providing the transcript.
There appears to be no mention by the defendants that others have been granted exemptions.


Ross Farmer
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07 Mar 2018 12:25


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Have I got this right?

In NSW - a major welfare issue not to have a water bowl in a racing kennel.
In Victoria - no water in racing kennels.


Trevor Hagney
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08 Mar 2018 06:12


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Another reason for nation wide rules.
Try and get all the chiefs in the same room. lol.As if.


Charles W Mizzi
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08 Mar 2018 08:43


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Trevor Hagney wrote:

Another reason for nation wide rules.
Try and get all the chiefs in the same room. lol.As if.

Chiefs of what?

There would be two that have got any idea and even they could be politically manipulated. Public servants only accountable to their political masters. No price to pay.


Loren Harborne
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08 Mar 2018 22:49


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Ross Farmer wrote:

Have I got this right?

In NSW - a major welfare issue not to have a water bowl in a racing kennel.
In Victoria - no water in racing kennels.


Ross, water buckets not required in any other state or territory of Australia except NSW. Not even tropical Nth. Qld or Darwin.
What does that say?



Steve Bennie
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09 Mar 2018 00:02


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Loren all the people in GRNSW love making new rules so if you can't make a good one they make a stupid one just to keep there jobs.
When was the last time they made a really good decision that helps the dogs,trainers or the industry.
Then again when was the last time they made a good decision for NSW?.


Ross Farmer
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09 Mar 2018 02:48


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This matter shows opposing regulator views on what is considered to be a significant enough welfare rule for one to take it to the Supreme Court.

Wouldn't if make sense for there to be one interpretation of welfare for the industry?

There is even a framework for this to happen, so that uniformly industry guidelines could be developed, and the funding costs shared, via Greyhounds Australasia.

An objective fact-based industry submission that proposed industry uniformity for welfare directed at all States does hold some sort of appeal.

Instead, States seem to be going it alone on welfare.

Unfortunately anti-greyhound racing groups have sufficiently muddied the waters such that fragmented and subjective views on welfare have overridden objective standards, common sense and practicality.

States will respond differently to such influences, adding to any differences, and resulting in industry-threatening standards.

Perhaps the best example is the shambolic (and lazily based) Victorian public service greyhound welfare proposal (which was funded by GRV via a government levy).

It is made worse if State governments hide behind the convenient "community expectations" cop-out that seems to be underpinned by Greens-appeasing governments and vocal minorities.

That non-compliance with such a debatable rule got to a Supreme Court decision is not only overkill, but highlights such unacceptable differences in welfare rules. To the extent that it suggests at least one regulator has NFI as to whether this is really a bona fide welfare issue is a concern.

Participants should expect better.

Note : NFI = Not the faintest idea


Ross Farmer
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09 Mar 2018 03:07


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Loren Harborne wrote:

Ross Farmer wrote:

Have I got this right?

In NSW - a major welfare issue not to have a water bowl in a racing kennel.
In Victoria - no water in racing kennels.


Ross, water buckets not required in any other state or territory of Australia except NSW. Not even tropical Nth. Qld or Darwin.
What does that say?


It was a rhetorical question that was intended to provoke a response.

Common sense might suggest that dogs could have access to water (club-supplied) during kennelling. It would be reasonable that if a trainer determined it would not for the good of the dog (or even gave rise to destructive behaviour), it should not be made available.

(I have one retired dog that would have ripped such a bucket off its attachment to the wall and then gone on to play with it - not ideal race preparation).

To me, a minor issue arising out of a questionable rule, blown out of proportion by officialdom, that should never of itself have even warranted a reprimand.



Joe Baldacchino
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09 Mar 2018 03:37


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john robinson wrote:

If a particular greyhound is at risk of unnecessary pain and suffering as a result of having a bowl placed in its kennel on race day, then the greyhound is obviously not one that would be appropriate to be raced. In those circumstances, it would be inconsistent with the provisions of Rule 106(2) for a licensed person to enter such a greyhound into a race.

A couple of questions on the above para of the release.
(1) Has there been any exemptions granted to participants so they have not got to have a water bowl in the kennel.
(2) If there has been exemptions granted why and by who and was our supreme court wig head told of these.
(3) who was the person that proposed the buckets and what was the information the person made about wether all dogs needed to have a bucket in the kennel.
(4)who was the person who said that there was no exemptions and is that person still employed by GRNSW.
These are only a few of the things I see wrong with this release and for Mr now in charge to say GRNSW will make no comments at this time is a joke

I believe that my greyhound, Prying Eyes, was one of the first to get an examption. Had to jump through many hoops before she got it. The final straw with me was when she ripped apart one of this 'spring toggle' clips like you have on leads. She split the steel in trying to get the bucket off the door. That was the third time she had broken a steel clip so I put my foot down and refused to take a bucket in when she raced at Dapto. She won by 7 lengths and I copped a $100.00 fine for my stand.

The crazy thing about it all is that there are a lot of dogs knocking over their water bucket/bowl, probably in the early stages of kennelling, so there would not be any water to drink anyway.



Steve Bennie
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09 Mar 2018 03:46


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The one person that knows more about his dog is the trainer, were they ever asked NO.
The reason because he would tell them every dog on this planet is an individual and has to be treated and trained that way but it will become an embarrassment for the people at the top to admit they got it wrong.
GRNSW STOP listening to the GREENS,RSPCA and ANIMAL WELFARE the best looked after animals in the world would be GREYHOUNDS.
The WA RSPCA are to busy anyway they received 80 cats this week and need people to give them homes but there not for free you must make a donation.
Reminds me of that ABBA song MONEY-MONEY-MONEY.


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