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Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 24 Oct 2020 09:12
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Obviously you've forgot the old saying that the bitch gets most credit for the success of a litter , Fernando Bale is a fantastic sire & was blessed with the support he had from breeders & it was well earned considering what he did on the race track , in regards to Ritza Lenny he was very good but IMO he's not up there with the likes of Hooked On Scotch , Simon Told Helen etc but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to succeed at stud & i wish The Gatt family & breeders using him all the best and I hope he throws lots of topliners , I have a right to my opinion & I'm tired of having my words twisted on here.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Oct 2020 09:25
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Imo Lenny has already succeeded at Stud and there are definitely more winners to come. In regards to Ritza Hattie Mark Gatt stated today that her Ritza Lenny Litter is easily her best litter to date !!!! As for Broodies getting the most credit for the success of a litter i don't believe that theory at all, i think Token Prince well and truly proved that theory wrong !!!!
Toby Weekes Australia (Verified User) Posts 225 Dogs 69 / Races 0 25 Oct 2020 05:50
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Ritza lenny got nice pups hitting the track soon , already proven on track ,throws a cracking type that are keen and big , prob best proven son of barcia at stud , with other sons stll first season sires , and he is fertile , rear them cheap they end up worth as much as a packet of chips dont matter wat sire or brood.
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Oct 2020 06:14
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Toby Weekes, Fair enough that's your opinion & yes I've seen some beautiful Lenny pups but that's a big statement about Ritza Lenny being 'probably the best proven son of Barcia Bale' at stud , He's done well at stud & not doubting that but as for proven Barcia Bale sons there's 1 you've forgotten mate which is the actual No.1 proven Barcia son at stud the mighty Dyna Double One ,He's produced winners with all types of broodies.
Toby Weekes Australia (Verified User) Posts 225 Dogs 69 / Races 0 25 Oct 2020 07:00
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dyna double one has got over 1400 off spring and i still rate ritza lenny a better stud dog with 36 off spring there u go , double one is ok but not brilliant had his chance and some , not very popular for many reasons but i not guna shit can him , i would use margins your stud dog before dyna double one , in short , lennys pups in paddocks and breaking in places have good wraps from various broods , lucky enough my self to be know these breeders and can tell u first hand lenny guna be better then a ok stud dog , along with some new barcia sons in there first season.
Andrew Varasdi Australia (Verified User) Posts 1287 Dogs 2 / Races 11 25 Oct 2020 07:31
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Dyna got Too many That dont win races and not Enough winning group races to justify the ones that dont win. Lenny will Smash his numbers.
Branko Lezaja Australia (Verified User) Posts 663 Dogs 2 / Races 0 25 Oct 2020 16:29
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Lately I've only noticed 1 standout pup by Ritza Lenny which is Ritza Donald , I have nothing against Lenny & like I said in an earlier comment I want him to continue to succeed at stud & hope he smashes it as a sire but I just think it's easy for a stud dog to produce topliners with Group race winning bitches like Ritza Hattie , I'm looking forward to seeing the next crop of his pups coming through to see what he throws.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 25 Oct 2020 21:13
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Branko Lezaja wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing the next crop of his pups coming through to see what he throws.
From what I've heard noisy and highly strung. Ritza Lenny and Mepunga Blazer are just a poor mans Dyna Double One.
If you have a hard chasing and 600m+ broodie beast unleashed and Aston Dee Bee are gonna be good (too early to call on raw ability, but he's started good) other than that nothing still comes close to their dad Barcia Bale
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 26 Oct 2020 00:41
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From what you've heard ???? Well i've been in this game long enough to know that most of what i hear is "BULL SHIT"
Toby Weekes Australia (Verified User) Posts 225 Dogs 69 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 04:07
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it takes more of a fool to listen or take advice from the actual fool telling u the story matt ,poor mans stud dogs who cant afford double one plz , wat crap not the money factor at all , so whengot 8 fernandos in shed 5 of them dont stop barking not the stud diog i bred from a high strung bitch my fault not stud dog remeber that when grading a stud dogs pups also handling from rearing goes on and on , to many blokes on here think they experts , start breeding group 1 dogs regularly and ill stand up and listen if they high strung barkers ,because its proven , can tell who to take advice from proven breeders there results , its same as stud dog stats its same our breeders stat s , this will do me always some one shit can dogs
Toby Weekes Australia (Verified User) Posts 225 Dogs 69 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 04:14
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old saying if u got nothing good to say dont say it at all i guna take my own advice as i got nothing good to say bout this matter
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 05:27
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I don't understand why someone cant state a view without others getting unnecessarily offended and aggressive. It's only a view why not just debate it without being condescending?
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 05:43
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Agree Werty too many people avoid contributing their valuable knowledge or opinion fearing or avoiding being shot down in flames.
C'mon people this forum will die out if we can't be grown up about a discussion. To those offended please continue to contribute and others may just need to turn it down a notch.
Cheers
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 26 Oct 2020 10:52
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toby weekes wrote:
old saying if u got nothing good to say dont say it at all i guna take my own advice as i got nothing good to say bout this matter
I respect your opinion 100% percent. I'd be stupid not to. But look at things my way. When you only breed 1 litter every 12-18 months you ask breeders, rearers, breakers and trainers their opinion on a sires progeny. Ritza Lenny and Mepunga Blazer are throwing good chase and stamina, but if you don't think their offspring are noisy (just like ddo progency) you've been blessed so far
Toby Weekes Australia (Verified User) Posts 225 Dogs 69 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 21:11
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yes ur right ryan , freedom of speech and feed back is nessary for breeders on this forum, u got to admit every forum refer s to much off subject , comparing stud dogs is good , but remeber this page bout ritza lenny ,ill take a seat my self and stick to studying breeding instead of forums for a while
Jodie Lord Australia (Verified User) Posts 92 Dogs 66 / Races 0 26 Oct 2020 21:39
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I have 3 lennys in my kennel atm and have pre trained at least a dozen once they learn your routine there like any other pup that comes in to a new environment but they soon work the way things are done the 3 that I have all from different dams are great kennel dogs quite clean and the train themselves iv reared plenty of pups and one thing i know is chase is everything I think lenny can upgrade any bitch peoples opinions are important always good to be a little bit diplomatic give lenny a chance hell make it.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 26 Oct 2020 22:03
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toby weekes wrote:
yes ur right ryan , freedom of speech and feed back is nessary for breeders on this forum, u got to admit every forum refer s to much off subject , comparing stud dogs is good , but remeber this page bout ritza lenny ,ill take a seat my self and stick to studying breeding instead of forums for a while
I'm not trying to bad mouth any sire or upset/offend anyone and I'm sorry if it looked like I was just having a dig at Ritza Lenny for the sake of it
What I know/have heard about his offspring is they are vocal, but I'm more than happy to be wrong. If anyone has pups to Ritza Lenny I wish you nothing but good luck with them.
I can't argue he's started his stud career very nicely, I'll just be waiting a bit before I use him at stud
Daryl Barrett Australia (Verified User) Posts 1739 Dogs 1 / Races 0 27 Oct 2020 00:41
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Well said Ryan & Jodie,...I will leave it at that.
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
I don't understand why someone cant state a view without others getting unnecessarily offended and aggressive. It's only a view why not just debate it without being condescending?
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5956 Dogs 8 / Races 0 27 Oct 2020 02:35
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toby weekes wrote:
.... u got to admit every forum refer s to much off subject , comparing stud dogs is good , but remeber this page bout ritza lenny ,ill take a seat my self and stick to studying breeding instead of forums for a while
Hi Toby,
Some conversations can take a direction within a topic and I think that's ok and up to the experienced moderators to keep it on track, also this topic is not a "diamond" topic whereby a diamond symbol wld appear next to the topic name i.e., people wld pay to advertise Lenny at stud so rules may well be far stricter there. Some may or may not have realised that.
Personally I hope you don't just take a seat and study breeding as I know you'd have a great deal of insight into many facets of this great sport. I'm only on this forum as I find it's the best place to study breeding and hope you can find a way to do both. Cheers.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 27 Oct 2020 03:25
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
toby weekes wrote:
.... u got to admit every forum refer s to much off subject , comparing stud dogs is good , but remeber this page bout ritza lenny ,ill take a seat my self and stick to studying breeding instead of forums for a while
Hi Toby,
Some conversations can take a direction within a topic and I think that's ok and up to the experienced moderators to keep it on track, also this topic is not a "diamond" topic whereby a diamond symbol wld appear next to the topic name i.e., people wld pay to advertise Lenny at stud so rules may well be far stricter there. Some may or may not have realised that.
Personally I hope you don't just take a seat and study breeding as I know you'd have a great deal of insight into many facets of this great sport. I'm only on this forum as I find it's the best place to study breeding and hope you can find a way to do both. Cheers.
You are right Ryan if the Owners of Ritzy Lenny payed for a years advertising they would get a Diamond status and this then protects what content is written about their stud dog .
If you have a Stud dog and you dont have a Diamond membership here on Data then you are open to debate and conjecture about your stud dog unfiltered in any post .
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