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Greyhound racing in NSW may never recover!!!page  1 2 

Wal Simmons
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"The comments were made via email on March 11 which has recently been posted on Facebook by Faruqi."

Clearly it was a private email sent to Faruqi which Faruqi decided to make public via Facebook ...... pathetic ......



Dan Hollywood
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21 Mar 2018 19:44


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Mark Donohue wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

What has a private conversation between two people got to do with GRNSW, those softco$ks need to support their participants instead of trying to bury them.

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Thats right Dan. Does the Social Media Policy cover private conversations ? Is it a private or public conversation ?

If the email to Farqu contains a clause similar to "this email message, including any attached files, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed" and she plastered it on her page then old mate wont have a problem.


John Toye
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21 Mar 2018 20:16


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well may we say GOD SAVE THE GREYS,because nothing will save the labour govt in victoria,there shot chas,and corrupt as well


Bruce Teague
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21 Mar 2018 20:44


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Dan,

No mate. Doesn't work that way.



Dan Hollywood
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21 Mar 2018 21:26


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Dan,

No mate. Doesn't work that way.

Have a take on disclaimers now, however do you find Derek Kerrs comments of a harassing and threatening behavior or just someone upset and expressing their opinion.


Mark Donohue
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21 Mar 2018 23:26


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I think if she has taken a private message and place it in the public arena, instead of going through appropriate channels like commissions and agencies, well it's her own fault regardless of the content.

Stupid is, what stupid does ! Forest Gump

It goes both ways.




Bruce Teague
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22 Mar 2018 01:21


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Dan,

The short answer to your question is probably both.

Now I have been subject to defamation accusations (from GRNSW, as it happens, but they were wrong)and I have always tried to keep abreast of laws and practices, mostly because I have written over 1,000 public articles for greyhound organisations and newspapers, as well as a book, and I have publishers and editors looking over my shoulder. On top of that I have a personal policy of avoiding comment on personalities anyway, and addressing either the subject or the organisation. But I am not a lawyer so bear that in mind.

Frankly, I doubt he has a leg to stand on. Quite apart from the language, he has invoked racial discrimination aspects, which then bring in federal laws, including those used by the horrible Triggs organisation, the HRC (that's an exception to my "personalities" policy).

But GRNSW has also made rules (which it is entitled to do to a reasonable extent) in respect to the general behaviour of licensed persons. That can get a bit stretched as it purports to cover non-licensed persons in some situations (me, for instance), but that is not relevant here.

Arguably, he has busted all of the above.

And, as I said before, you can't just say this is a private matter and then publish the comment on a public forum and hope to get away with it. There is some debate about who published what and where but the internet is a funny thing these days - see the mess at Facebook and others at the moment. You should certainly assume that it is public anyway. At the least, it appears that Faruqi has been attacked improperly and therefore has a case for redress, no matter how it got before the public.

A related example is where some shops put up notices about no refunds or whatever when that action is counter to the laws of the land. They cannot get away with it but they try to bluff you.

Finally, there is stupidity to think about. Not only will he fail to impress with his views but he has actually harmed his cause and done the industry no good. It is not what he did but the way he did it.

If there is an end result, Faruqi has won.




Nicholas Arena
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22 Mar 2018 03:06


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GRNSW could learn how to media manage left learning disruptive small minded activist's from Peter Dutton - I quote

I think the ABC and others report these things how they want to report them, and how they want to interpret them, Mr Dutton told 2GB. Some of the crazy lefties at the ABC, and on The Guardian, Huffington Post, can express concern and draw mean cartoons about me and all the rest of it. They dont realise how completely dead they are to me.

We just get on with making decisions that we need to.

A man of courage and conviction.


Sandro Bechini
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22 Mar 2018 03:33


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Bruce Teague wrote:

If there is an end result, Faruqi has won.

She has won a little battle against someone who is upset with her unjustified attacks on our sport with the only purpose being to further her political career.

Most people with common sense can see through that little charade

She and her cronies won't win the war



Dan Hollywood
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22 Mar 2018 18:44


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Bruce Teague wrote:

If there is an end result, Faruqi has won.

She has won a little battle against someone who is upset with her unjustified attacks on our sport with the only purpose being to further her political career.

Most people with common sense can see through that little charade

She and her cronies won't win the war

She never won at all, she joined in the game and had a crack back and I bet she cops a lot worse and returns same. The game was joined by others who may not have been invited, to satisfy the demands of a minority, another BLUFF.


Bruce Teague
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Guys,

I, too, find the woman a bad taste but she is typical of the Greens attitude. But here's the stuff you are forgetting.

She listed - lying - cover-ups - animal abuse - deaths - drugs. They are all correct. They all happened. We may say she exaggerated or took things out of context but that is of little help now.

Of course, to apologise to her and "respect" her views, as GRNSW did, was bad policy and bad management. The "offence" was from an individual, not the industry at large. The industry's best attack is to sanction the offender and demonstrate the such behaviour is not acceptable.

What she has got now is further evidence to attack greyhound racing as "out of control" or "making a mockery of community standards" - you name it.

For greyhound people, the best attack is to vote against the Greens and encourage others to do likewise. That should not be hard because they have an amazing number of idiotic anti-progress policies.

Note, I see G-D has very sensibly pulled the offending email out of this thread. If it had not done that it (and the person posting it) might well be accused of further publishing improper material, which included words which could be challenged under Australian law, or used in civil actions.


John Staines
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23 Mar 2018 02:26


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I said it befor the greens and the rspca want to shut down all racing codes they want the dogs to go first then the trots and then horse racing anyone in the racing game that supports either the greens or the rspca need to have a very good look at them self.


Bruce Teague
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John,

Actually, higher on their manifesto is banning dog shows and pigeon racing.

As for the RSPCA, their legal brief and their charter is welfare, not racing, even though the NSW chief has ignored that. Vic government has already told them to stay clear of racing as such.

As a minimum, GRNSW should tell them exactly that and decline to discuss racing matters with them.


Mark Donohue
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24 Mar 2018 05:59


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They prosecute for cruelty.

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