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Greyhound racing in NSW may never recover!!!page  1 2 

Charles W Mizzi
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Because of this...

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and this....

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Maybe if GRNSW focused on rebuilding the industry from the participants up there might be a future.

So a politician is above all others, they can spew forth untruths and rubbish to serve their on purpose in the name of animal welfare but the everyday person who has done everything correctly can not.

Quote GRNSW will not tolerate comments that are detrimental or prejudicial to the interest, image or promotion of greyhound racing and has immediately commenced an inquiry to investigate the comments allegedly made by the participant.

Mike Baird brought the industry into this space, did GRNSW do anything then, NO, because the political masters had the control and saw some political advantage for them. The inquiry then was a sham and full of absolute rubbish from day one. Bit like the GA figures that were plucked out of thin air about dogs put down that fueled the overbreeding myth perpetuated here in Victoria

After Tasmania and the Batman and the South Australian elections over the weekend the Greens Days are numbered.

The bullying will continue until the governments that are perpetuating it are removed. NSW's people just remember Orange!

Victorian people the election is in November.

"REMEMBER A VOTE FOR LABOR IS A VOTE FOR THE GREENS" AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY STAND! Not in Batman for starters.


Kenneth Markham
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18 Mar 2018 08:50


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If this woman would like to venture to Canyonleigh I can show her 10 "living dogs"included in the botched figures which have not been killed for the "sake of a bet".


Bill Deguara
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kenneth markham wrote:

If this woman would like to venture to Canyonleigh I can show her 10 "living dogs"included in the botched figures which have not been killed for the "sake of a bet".

so politicians and others can lie and say what they like about our sport but no greyhound participant can open his or her mouth without being charged with something or other,




Malcolm Smart
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18 Mar 2018 12:29


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So the bitch can call us lying , cheating bastards , but we can't react..?? yeah right..!!



Dan Hollywood
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18 Mar 2018 19:04


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What has a private conversation between two people got to do with GRNSW, those softco$ks need to support their participants instead of trying to bury them.


Bruce Teague
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Chas,

There are two major sources for this mess. GA (Parker) for producing a "confidential" memo which could be easily misconstrued and which, in any event, posed a ridiculous proposition that the industry should be cut by one third. Second, GRNSW (Newson) for supporting the same memo and sending it to McHugh unchecked and without comment

From there on it was a snowball gathering weight as it rolled down the hill.

Faruqi and the rest of the Greens also failed to get their facts right, but they also had snippets of information on killings and live baiting that added more weight to the snowball. Greyhounds were an easy target.

More currently, all the anti crowd are still able to get their message across because greyhound authorities have failed to mount serious efforts to push the greyhound cause and tell the greyhound story to the public. The GRNSW approach is always reactive, not proactive, so mud will stick. That has happened here again.

However, actions by people like the accused comment writer will not only do nothing for the cause, they will set us back further. He will deserve whatever penalty is applied. Actually, he has possibly breached Commonwealth law (18c) as well so the outcome could be even worse, thereby harming greyhounds even more.

Note: Although GA called for a reduction, it did not actually create the overbreeding myth as such. That was a tagline put up by the boss of the Vic Department who did the official live baiting review and then was blindly supported by GRV. It is a fine point but you have to get your enemies right.

Note2: References to the Tas, Batman and SA elections are dubious. Tassie Liberals got home because the mob thought they had done a good job. The Green campaign was physically weak. Labor scraped home in Batman because it had always been a Labor seat. Libs got home in SA because they were up against an idiot who was killing the state.

Green influence is volatile, varied, conflicting and often dumb but not to be ignored. See Canberra.




Glenn Hatton
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19 Mar 2018 07:58


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dr faraqui is a politician & knows the system back to front.

It amazes me that she chucks a tantrum when the system works against what she wants.

If she wants change then stick to the system she is employed by & stop using sensationalism to influence or deceive the general public. Its not the Australian way.


Charles W Mizzi
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Chas,

There are two major sources for this mess. GA (Parker) for producing a "confidential" memo which could be easily misconstrued and which, in any event, posed a ridiculous proposition that the industry should be cut by one third. Second, GRNSW (Newson) for supporting the same memo and sending it to McHugh unchecked and without comment

From there on it was a snowball gathering weight as it rolled down the hill.

Faruqi and the rest of the Greens also failed to get their facts right, but they also had snippets of information on killings and live baiting that added more weight to the snowball. Greyhounds were an easy target.

More currently, all the anti crowd are still able to get their message across because greyhound authorities have failed to mount serious efforts to push the greyhound cause and tell the greyhound story to the public. The GRNSW approach is always reactive, not proactive, so mud will stick. That has happened here again.

However, actions by people like the accused comment writer will not only do nothing for the cause, they will set us back further. He will deserve whatever penalty is applied. Actually, he has possibly breached Commonwealth law (18c) as well so the outcome could be even worse, thereby harming greyhounds even more.

Note: Although GA called for a reduction, it did not actually create the overbreeding myth as such. That was a tagline put up by the boss of the Vic Department who did the official live baiting review and then was blindly supported by GRV. It is a fine point but you have to get your enemies right.

Note2: References to the Tas, Batman and SA elections are dubious. Tassie Liberals got home because the mob thought they had done a good job. The Green campaign was physically weak. Labor scraped home in Batman because it had always been a Labor seat. Libs got home in SA because they were up against an idiot who was killing the state.

Green influence is volatile, varied, conflicting and often dumb but not to be ignored. See Canberra.


Green influence is volatile, varied, conflicting and often dumb but not to be ignored. See Canberra.

Canberra, The tight arsehole of Australian politics. Ignored? I was a greens voter in the nineties, they stood for something totally different then. Also the Australian Democrats did a good job at keeping the bastards honest but they also had their day and became irrelevant!

Cheers Bruce.




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Glenn Hatton wrote:

dr faraqui is a politician & knows the system back to front.

It amazes me that she chucks a tantrum when the system works against what she wants.

If she wants change then stick to the system she is employed by & stop using sensationalism to influence or deceive the general public. Its not the Australian way.


That's why she's a Green Glen.

G = GO
R = ROOT
E = EVERYBODY &
E = EVERYTHING
N = NEEDLESSLY


Sandro Bechini
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Glenn Hatton wrote:

dr faraqui is a politician & knows the system back to front.

It amazes me that she chucks a tantrum when the system works against what she wants.

If she wants change then stick to the system she is employed by & stop using sensationalism to influence or deceive the general public. Its not the Australian way.

The problem with Dr Faraqui is that via her facebook page, her practice of inciting her followers to shut down the greyhound industry evokes insulting comments towards her.

Then she uses those comments against her to gain sympathy for her cause again via social media.

It's really gutter politics in reverse.

Anyone, who is passionate about their industry can't help but get upset by her comments and her criticism of any positive things that GRNSW tries to do

She is trying to impose a lifestyle change on a great number of people that is only supported by a small minority, being her own followers.

I am angry that she chooses to use social media sites to spread mis-statements and lies to gain support for her cause.

GRNSW has chastised Derek Kerr for his comments, he definitely went overboard, but he is only mirroring the pure frustration of the participants of this sport, who have been under attack for going on 3 years now.

However, to some degree they should be taking Dr Faruqi to task, for publishing untruths, inciting hated and continually sensationalizing the industry in a bad light

Dr Faruqi, if she had any sense of social responsibility would stop her tirade on Facebook and other social media sites and start engaging in some positive and constructive dialogue with GRNSW and the newly formed GWIC

It's the only way she will ever get any credibility.





Peter Bell
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GRNSW Will not tolerate comments that are detrimental or Prejudice to the interest,image or promotion of Greyhound racing.
So Faraqui can call Partipants liars,killers,cheats,drugos,Animal abusers AND GRNSW has GREAT respect for her. PFFT we are in real trouble in this state.
It is about time the so called board show some balls and bring this THING into line.
IF there is any body being detrimental or Prejudice to the interest, image of Greyhound racing it is this person.
Instead of chastising or disciplining Derek Kerr they should be shaking his hand but they wont do that, they will continue to let people spread lies and call participants derogatory names without any fear of retaliation.
Thanks for your support GRNSW.




Charles W Mizzi
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Glenn Hatton wrote:

dr faraqui is a politician & knows the system back to front.

It amazes me that she chucks a tantrum when the system works against what she wants.

If she wants change then stick to the system she is employed by & stop using sensationalism to influence or deceive the general public. Its not the Australian way.

The problem with Dr Faraqui is that via her facebook page, her practice of inciting her followers to shut down the greyhound industry evokes insulting comments towards her.

Then she uses those comments against her to gain sympathy for her cause again via social media.

It's really gutter politics in reverse.

Anyone, who is passionate about their industry can't help but get upset by her comments and her criticism of any positive things that GRNSW tries to do

She is trying to impose a lifestyle change on a great number of people that is only supported by a small minority, being her own followers.

I am angry that she chooses to use social media sites to spread mis-statements and lies to gain support for her cause.

GRNSW has chastised Derek Kerr for his comments, he definitely went overboard, but he is only mirroring the pure frustration of the participants of this sport, who have been under attack for going on 3 years now.

However, to some degree they should be taking Dr Faruqi to task, for publishing untruths, inciting hated and continually sensationalizing the industry in a bad light

Dr Faruqi, if she had any sense of social responsibility would stop her tirade on Facebook and other social media sites and start engaging in some positive and constructive dialogue with GRNSW and the newly formed GWIC

It's the only way she will ever get any credibility.


Sandro, agree, agree, agree.

She has given us something though, THE SOCIAL MEDIA FLOOD that we here in Victoria will use for the next election in November.


John Robinson
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20 Mar 2018 01:58


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Let us break up the e-mail and see how bad it is or not. More importantly we should be asking, is there any reason why GRNSW should even be taking any notice what the person has written in an angry moment. It is times like this that I thank my upbringing where I was always told to ignore idiots and I think there are a few people who are showing more interest in this article than they should.
(1) Please shut youre faced on a subject you know nothing about.
My opinion should have read would you please shut your sloppy mouth till you know what you are talking about and not tell lies.
(2) Actually why dont you go back to the scum of the earth country you come from.
An opinion and discription that I would be of the opinion that there are more people in NSW who would agree with him than would disagree.
(3) They are the ones that really need help not the dogs in Australia.
I think he should have said The people of your country are the ones that need your help not the greyhounds of Australia.
(5) I guess you are a very weak individual and not strong enough to be a politician in your country.
This is purely an opinion of a person and everyone is entitled to their opinion
(6) With so many wrongs against woman and children.
I would have said you could not have opened your sloppy mouth in your birth country you would be dead.
(7) As a piece of Pakistani rubbish tip you are despised by Australians.
As a sloppy mouthed person from Pakistan you are lacking credibility to many Australians.
(8) Now if you really want to do some good resign.
Now if you and the rest of your green party want to do any good just resign.
My personal opinion is that there was no need for Derek to have wrote this article but like all of the people trying to keep ourselves and our industry afloat we face much frustration when the people who are running the industry show so little leadership to help us and so much help to the organisations that are trying to destroy us.




Malcolm Smart
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Other then change 1 to your account, the rest is totally true and accurate..!!


John Staines
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I was told today that our fearless leader mister brown has stood down as of today he should never had got the job in the first place.i hope they put some one in the job that knows the greyhound industry and not just a nother job for the boys club like they have been doing.


Michael Geraghty
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Glenn Hatton wrote:

dr faraqui is a politician & knows the system back to front.

It amazes me that she chucks a tantrum when the system works against what she wants.

If she wants change then stick to the system she is employed by & stop using sensationalism to influence or deceive the general public. Its not the Australian way.

The problem with Dr Faraqui is that via her facebook page, her practice of inciting her followers to shut down the greyhound industry evokes insulting comments towards her.

Then she uses those comments against her to gain sympathy for her cause again via social media.

It's really gutter politics in reverse.

Anyone, who is passionate about their industry can't help but get upset by her comments and her criticism of any positive things that GRNSW tries to do

She is trying to impose a lifestyle change on a great number of people that is only supported by a small minority, being her own followers.

I am angry that she chooses to use social media sites to spread mis-statements and lies to gain support for her cause.

GRNSW has chastised Derek Kerr for his comments, he definitely went overboard, but he is only mirroring the pure frustration of the participants of this sport, who have been under attack for going on 3 years now.

However, to some degree they should be taking Dr Faruqi to task, for publishing untruths, inciting hated and continually sensationalizing the industry in a bad light

Dr Faruqi, if she had any sense of social responsibility would stop her tirade on Facebook and other social media sites and start engaging in some positive and constructive dialogue with GRNSW and the newly formed GWIC

It's the only way she will ever get any credibility.

Sandro,

What angers me is that this industry, along with every other industry these blinkered hypocrites attack, adopt the passive approach to counter them.

They cannot be beaten with a head butting contest but they can be beaten with an all out educational and promotional steamroller...no-one will DO IT!...they know this, so the out of control slander, discrediting, lies, manipulation, fabrication, incitement, and victories WILL CONTINUE!!!
WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T THEY CONTINUE?!?!?!?!?
They've got no road blocks to stop them!

"The problem with Dr Faraqui is that via her facebook page, her practice of inciting her followers to shut down the greyhound industry evokes insulting comments towards her.

Then she uses those comments against her to gain sympathy for her cause again via social media."

Pretty basic stuff, hey.
They ALL do it...to further incite and to gain more.

"She is trying to impose a lifestyle change on a great number of people that is only supported by a small minority, being her own followers.

I am angry that she chooses to use social media sites to spread mis-statements and lies to gain support for her cause."

This is why these activists are thriving.
The internet is an ideal platform to germinate and propagate their ideals, agendas, and propaganda.
It's basically germ warfare...and we have no protection.

"However, to some degree they should be taking Dr Faruqi to task, for publishing untruths, inciting hated and continually sensationalizing the industry in a bad light."

They didn't...they responded by saying they RESPECT her thoughts on Greyhound welfare.
Her overall agenda is to shut down the industry, even if it means the destruction of tens of thousands of Greys.
Crazy care and welfare, hey.

"Dr Faruqi, if she had any sense of social responsibility would stop her tirade on Facebook and other social media sites and start engaging in some positive and constructive dialogue with GRNSW and the newly formed GWIC."

They have NO SENSE OF SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, Sandro...none of them. Most are only interested in money, personal, and career gains...that's the saddest part of all and the good people out there are falling for it.

So, we are left unprotected, vulnerable, and rudderless.
How bloody lovely, hey.

...and they wonder why some get a little hot under the collar...

One day the industry will wake up to the fact that it needs a national representative body with power...it will be the day after the industry officially closes.


Mark Donohue
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Dan Hollywood wrote:

What has a private conversation between two people got to do with GRNSW, those softco$ks need to support their participants instead of trying to bury them.

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Thats right Dan. Does the Social Media Policy cover private conversations ? Is it a private or public conversation ?


Bruce Teague
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Dan,

Let me have another go.

Social media comments are not private. All are on the public record.

Faruqi has not written lies. All her accusations have a base in truth somewhere, including in the McHugh report, and/or in admissions to McHugh, including by GRNSW. (Hiding post-race euthanasia evidence in stewards reports is one example).

What she has done is voiced an unbalanced opinion and grossly exaggerated the impact of breaches of the laws and practices in the industry. She is not alone in those views.

The other major error has been in GRNSW stating that they "respect" her views. Use of that word is a disgrace when used to describe her wild language.

Another peculiarity is that it took a year for this episode to emerge. While earlier education would have been desirable the subject media release should have been picked up much earlier. If GRNSW does not have a system for trolling for abusive comments then it is falling down on its job.

Meantime, all the respondents on this thread seem to have forgotten that the whole problem emerged from dumb and illegal actions by a minority of greyhound participants. Subsequent corrective action has helped straighten that out but has not eliminated it. Trainers are still getting pinged for using drugs that should never get near the industry. Some still resist bans imposed to combat the massive damage caused by live baiting practices.

The best way, in fact the only way, to combat the excesses of people like Faruqi is to demonstrate what a well-run industry this is.


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I don't think our tactic of "turning the other cheek" is paying dividends yet.


Mark Donohue
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Mark Donohue wrote:

Dan Hollywood wrote:

What has a private conversation between two people got to do with GRNSW, those softco$ks need to support their participants instead of trying to bury them.

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Thats right Dan. Does the Social Media Policy cover private conversations ? Is it a private or public conversation ?

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Did Ms Faruqi actually place a private conversation onto a social media outlet ?? I don't know that's why I'm asking ??

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