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Gary Brown
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Valerie Glover wrote:

brett tooth wrote:

It's all just a minor sweetener for when they close down more tracks & everyone's got to travel further to race.
Next GRNSW will bring out the new "small hoops" trainers will have to jump through to keep their licences. Only a few months away until our "bonus" time of licensing is up.

Hi Brett Bob Glover here, I pointed out many moons ago that the 12 mth free licence was so wwe were not under any financial agreement what so ever , and this put us in a position that we would not be able to protest regs, and rule changes put in our faces, what is terribly wrong with their e.g of trainers that have to travel long distances, 500 kms etc for cost of $80 , is that the trainer that lives two doors from the track is now going to get same allowance? It should have been and always as well , worked on the horse system of a mileage allowance . no horses/ and distance traveled ?? And totally agree this will bring the next step of closing tracks ,with out any protest. a cushion-er exactly as every body knows, What about getting on with Grading /Prize money Track Rebuilds that have been on the burner for ever and a day promised, but if this initiative, came from T Mestrov as the memo says, well good on him for a start,: on a positive at least ,,Bob Glover /

A good post Bob

Your mileage allowance could be expanded to develop a risk -v- reward formula.

Should a person receive the same allowance for travelling 500km to race for $210.00, $80.00 and $30.00 for third, be paid the same allowance with someone racing for city prizemoney?

A simple formula would certainly benefit all!


Mark Donohue
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I think the KISS model should be applied.


Gary Brown
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Im definitely opposed to the KISS keep it small stupid!

A simple potential earning -v- travelled kms formula for a smart manager can easily be developed.

Here is a scenario the logic should be developed from - should a participant be paid the same travel allowance after travelling for 500km to race in the Easrer Egg Final as that same participant would be paid for travelling 500kms to race for $210.00, $80.00 and $30.00 for third?



Malcolm Smart
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01 Apr 2018 07:26


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apples and oranges , Gary, the easter egg runner is running in a race generating money thru TAB, your other runner is a non TAB runner, not income generating..


Gary Brown
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Malcolm Smart wrote:

apples and oranges , Gary, the easter egg runner is running in a race generating money thru TAB, your other runner is a non TAB runner, not income generating..

Your solution ?



Malcolm Smart
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01 Apr 2018 07:49


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Gary Brown wrote:

Malcolm Smart wrote:

apples and oranges , Gary, the easter egg runner is running in a race generating money thru TAB, your other runner is a non TAB runner, not income generating..

Your solution ?


Not my solution, but I can see tracks closing and then we will see better prizemoney/travel allowance..


Mark Donohue
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01 Apr 2018 08:05


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Thats why you Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS)




Gary Brown
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01 Apr 2018 08:09


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Mark Donohue wrote:

I think the KISS model should be applied.

Your solution?




Malcolm Smart
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Mark Donohue wrote:

Thats why you Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS)


and what's that..??


Mark Donohue
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Leave it as it is being proposed and look at the other problems in the industry like not racing for peanuts on non-Tab tracks. Weve gone backwards in that area. You dont need to apply calculus to every problem or issue.

What about rewarding clubs for good management and maintenance of their business and track ? There are plenty.


Bruce Teague
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02 Apr 2018 00:02


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Terry,

Yes, NSW is dragging the chain but can we get back to facts, please.

There is no excuse for Baird, Grant and McHugh. They all cooked the books or used improper evidence. So did Iemma by chairing the badly titled Reform Panel, as set up by Baird, and apparently supported by GBOTA Scott.

Gladys and Toole were formally involved only in respect to the votes in favour of the ban. So were many others on that side of the aisle. To expect MPs to cross the floor en masse in opposition to their leader is nave in the extreme - that's not how politics works. In practice, some did and they were influential to some degree in helping to overturn the ban. But it cost them.

They both got new jobs but have taken little or no action since - they are implementing previous decisions. We do not know how they will handle the future (although I have little time for Toole). In any event, they are not supposed to be involved - the theory being they stand at arm's length from the boards.

All the other stuff you mention is about ongoing day to day operations, overseen by people who have just arrived. Those shortcomings were the responsibility of previous employees, boards and clubs, plus some current employees.

The points you mention about GRV are small beer by comparison with the proposed new housekeeping regulations which could cripple many trainers/breeders. Yet GRV has now stood back and told the industry to write in if you don't like them. It is not fighting for the industry but standing back and watching. The thoroughbred-dominated RQ is little better and has still not given greyhounds its rightful share of the takings.

Much of a muchness, I would say.

How much longer will we suffer, you ask? As long as it takes. Primarily, that means convincing the public that the industry is worth supporting. That's the job of GRNSW and of participants.




Malcolm Smart
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02 Apr 2018 00:06


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Terry,

Yes, NSW is dragging the chain but can we get back to facts, please.

There is no excuse for Baird, Grant and McHugh. They all cooked the books or used improper evidence. So did Iemma by chairing the badly titled Reform Panel, as set up by Baird, and apparently supported by GBOTA Scott.

Gladys and Toole were formally involved only in respect to the votes in favour of the ban. So were many others on that side of the aisle. To expect MPs to cross the floor en masse in opposition to their leader is nave in the extreme - that's not how politics works. In practice, some did and they were influential to some degree in helping to overturn the ban. But it cost them.

They both got new jobs but have taken little or no action since - they are implementing previous decisions. We do not know how they will handle the future (although I have little time for Toole). In any event, they are not supposed to be involved - the theory being they stand at arm's length from the boards.

All the other stuff you mention is about ongoing day to day operations, overseen by people who have just arrived. Those shortcomings were the responsibility of previous employees, boards and clubs, plus some current employees.

The points you mention about GRV are small beer by comparison with the proposed new housekeeping regulations which could cripple many trainers/breeders. Yet GRV has now stood back and told the industry to write in if you don't like them. It is not fighting for the industry but standing back and watching. The thoroughbred-dominated RQ is little better and has still not given greyhounds its rightful share of the takings.

Much of a muchness, I would say.

How much longer will we suffer, you ask? As long as it takes. Primarily, that means convincing the public that the industry is worth supporting. That's the job of GRNSW and of participants.

FFS, get it thru your HEAD, its nothing to do with the PUBLIC, its RSPCA, Greens,and a minority of animal activist,the PUBLIC are getting on with there lives, the MINORITY are living there's thru hassling us..!!!!!!!


Gary Brown
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02 Apr 2018 00:07


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Tony Mestrov stated clearly in the press release the purpose of the travel allowance;

"This is about giving them a helping hand to continue to enjoy the sport they love.

Tony Mestrovs' rebuilding program has begun and needs to be commended now, knowing there is a review in December to align it with the overall industry plan.

Let us hope our great industry has the political support, after the next election to deliver.





Malcolm Smart
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02 Apr 2018 00:21


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Gary Brown wrote:

Tony Mestrov stated clearly in the press release the purpose of the travel allowance;

"This is about giving them a helping hand to continue to enjoy the sport they love.

Tony Mestrovs' rebuilding program has begun and needs to be commended now, knowing there is a review in December to align it with the overall industry plan.

Let us hope our great industry has the political support, after the next election to deliver.


Rebuilding.????? I think that's just a sweetener before the pain, closing tracks....(you got your travel allowance to get to the next track.)



Malcolm Smart
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02 Apr 2018 00:24


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Terry,

Yes, NSW is dragging the chain but can we get back to facts, please.

There is no excuse for Baird, Grant and McHugh. They all cooked the books or used improper evidence. So did Iemma by chairing the badly titled Reform Panel, as set up by Baird, and apparently supported by GBOTA Scott.

Gladys and Toole were formally involved only in respect to the votes in favour of the ban. So were many others on that side of the aisle. To expect MPs to cross the floor en masse in opposition to their leader is nave in the extreme - that's not how politics works. In practice, some did and they were influential to some degree in helping to overturn the ban. But it cost them.

They both got new jobs but have taken little or no action since - they are implementing previous decisions. We do not know how they will handle the future (although I have little time for Toole). In any event, they are not supposed to be involved - the theory being they stand at arm's length from the boards.

All the other stuff you mention is about ongoing day to day operations, overseen by people who have just arrived. Those shortcomings were the responsibility of previous employees, boards and clubs, plus some current employees.

The points you mention about GRV are small beer by comparison with the proposed new housekeeping regulations which could cripple many trainers/breeders. Yet GRV has now stood back and told the industry to write in if you don't like them. It is not fighting for the industry but standing back and watching. The thoroughbred-dominated RQ is little better and has still not given greyhounds its rightful share of the takings.

Much of a muchness, I would say.

How much longer will we suffer, you ask? As long as it takes. Primarily, that means convincing the public that the industry is worth supporting. That's the job of GRNSW and of participants.

The only people we have to convince is the next government in, that the RSPCA are nothing but uneducated control freaks..



Gordon Herbert
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02 Apr 2018 08:04


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

apples and oranges , Gary, the easter egg runner is running in a race generating money thru TAB, your other runner is a non TAB runner, not income generating..

No Malcolm, it's actually apples and apples. The travel allowance is just that, a travel allowance, and there should be no bias to who gets it and of equal amount. My wife and I take many a giveaway to give it a 2nd chance (or 3rd, 4th) at a racing career and travel on average 2hrs to race them at both tab and non-tab. They all cost the same to feed and the vet doesn't charge us any less.
Although non-tab racing doesn't earn any revenue, what it does do is provide somewhere for the slower dogs to race and while they are racing they are not a statistic an the Wastage list. After all welfare and greatly reduced wastage are the only two things the Government care about.
Rant over!





Malcolm Smart
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02 Apr 2018 08:28


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Gordon Herbert wrote:

Malcolm Smart wrote:

apples and oranges , Gary, the easter egg runner is running in a race generating money thru TAB, your other runner is a non TAB runner, not income generating..

No Malcolm, it's actually apples and apples. The travel allowance is just that, a travel allowance, and there should be no bias to who gets it and of equal amount. My wife and I take many a giveaway to give it a 2nd chance (or 3rd, 4th) at a racing career and travel on average 2hrs to race them at both tab and non-tab. They all cost the same to feed and the vet doesn't charge us any less.
Although non-tab racing doesn't earn any revenue, what it does do is provide somewhere for the slower dogs to race and while they are racing they are not a statistic an the Wastage list. After all welfare and greatly reduced wastage are the only two things the Government care about.
Rant over!


Irrelevant anyway, If they close tracks we will most probably not have non tab race meetings, only a,b,c...
btw: my training career started with giveaways and still buy ppls rejects.:-)


Bruce Teague
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Malcolm,

There are a number of ways of looking at this subject but the major aim for the moment is to create an environment where more people invest in the industry - whether betting, owning or selling pies at the track. It will then follow that as income rises, so will the ability to pay more expenses and increase prize money.

That bigger income will never come from RSPCA, Greens etc. Nor will they change their ideas about greyhound racing. Yes, we have to confront their arguments but, at best, it's a win some/lose some discussion.

On the other hand, if the public fall in love with greyhound racing they will put their hands in their pockets and so make the sport viable. And it will be fresh money.

So your future actually rests with the public. That's how it works in all industries. Moreover, there is a bonus. The bigger the public support, the more notice government will take of the true value of greyhound racing. They can shout you down but they can't do that to the public.

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