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Mark Staines
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17 Apr 2018 14:43


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Carly they did what they have always done, outsmarted the likes of B.Scott.


Mark Donohue
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17 Apr 2018 22:31


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Apart from what Mark wrote, we were going to get 20% as per TAB turnover, until Boo Boo Grant changed his mind when he created a notion that the gallops contributed more to its industry on a daily basis, along with the LB scandal when it appeared and our share went down to 10%, fully suspended until after the Recommendations of the McGoo Report ($11 Million wasted) and Ban was introduced and then Casino Mike did a backflip. It will be reviewed in 1-2 years.




Mark Donohue
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17 Apr 2018 23:07


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Gary Brown wrote:

Mark Donohue wrote:

Youve been preparing your reply since Saturday. See your paragraph three.

It was posted in the Hunter Valley Trainers Forum (special group of approx. 200) on Facebook and another forum first thing Saturday morning.


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Very Special.
Is it a secret society like the Masons ? I couldnt find it on Fb.
200 would include most trainers? Is it only trainers ?


Gary Brown
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18 Apr 2018 00:06


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GWIC - Review of my notes. I emailed my notes of the meeting below and they replied with the following;

Dear Gary,
Thank you for your email and attendance at the Yagoona roadshow. There are a few inaccuracies in your notes, which Id like to clarify.
Point 3- the positive unpublicised news is that, current registrations for all will be extended to 30/6/2019- "As explained at the roadshow, there will be new requirements for registration including enhanced background checks and training. All current licences held with GRNSW will be rolled over to give participants time to complete training".
Point 5- There will be a move to extend the racing opportunities for slow/slowing dogs- "This is a decision for GRNSW. GRNSW is looking into the matter but no decision has been made at this stage".
Point 7- John Keniry spoke about the Bond and it will be introduced unless the Governments decision can be changed and a model is being developed. "It is important to clarify that the Greyhound Industry Reform Panel, led by Morris Iemma recommended the creation of a modest, upfront bond paid by the breeder and ongoing annual payments paid by the owner. The Government accepted this recommendation. No decisions have been made yet about the amount or terms of the bond".
Point 12- At the end of the meeting when challenged by a participant, Alan Brown confirmed his commitment in trying to help the Greyhound Industry and he and his immediate family were involved in Greyhound Racing in the early part of his life, with him attending his first greyhound meeting in 1956 at Harold Park (?) and his grandfather trained Take a Bow to win the Australian Cup in 1962, which he was there to witness. Alan also advised, he use to walk his grandfathers greyhounds, as a youth. "Alan lived in Melbourne until 1963 and his early experiences with greyhounds occurred there. He never mentioned going to Harold Park in 1956".




Carly Absalom
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18 Apr 2018 01:19


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I am sick of hearing about the Iemma recommendations and the governments acceptance of them as an excuse. Are they going to blame that on everything that they do?

Before this whole saga the Select Committee gave recommendations that the government mostly accepted. They werent put in place. Why suddenly are we bound by the Iemma recommendations, which were arrived at hastily and without industry consultation?

They do not have to put in place any of the recommendations that haven't already been incorporated into the new legislation and to keep using that as an excuse is just lazy and suggests that they are there only for the benefit of the government and not as Alan Brown stated on Monday for the benefit of us.

I will also point out that on Monday he said a condition of the ban being overturned was the formation of GWIC so we should embrace them because without them we dont have an industry.

There were NO conditions attached to the overturning of the ban. The Premier himself rang the Alliance just before the announcement and confirmed there were NO conditions.



Terry Jordan
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18 Apr 2018 01:27


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Gary Brown wrote:

GWIC - Review of my notes. I emailed my notes of the meeting below and they replied with the following;

Dear Gary,
Thank you for your email and attendance at the Yagoona roadshow. There are a few inaccuracies in your notes, which Id like to clarify.
Point 3- the positive unpublicised news is that, current registrations for all will be extended to 30/6/2019- "As explained at the roadshow, there will be new requirements for registration including enhanced background checks and training. All current licences held with GRNSW will be rolled over to give participants time to complete training".
Point 5- There will be a move to extend the racing opportunities for slow/slowing dogs- "This is a decision for GRNSW. GRNSW is looking into the matter but no decision has been made at this stage".
Point 7- John Keniry spoke about the Bond and it will be introduced unless the Governments decision can be changed and a model is being developed. "It is important to clarify that the Greyhound Industry Reform Panel, led by Morris Iemma recommended the creation of a modest, upfront bond paid by the breeder and ongoing annual payments paid by the owner. The Government accepted this recommendation. No decisions have been made yet about the amount or terms of the bond".
Point 12- At the end of the meeting when challenged by a participant, Alan Brown confirmed his commitment in trying to help the Greyhound Industry and he and his immediate family were involved in Greyhound Racing in the early part of his life, with him attending his first greyhound meeting in 1956 at Harold Park (?) and his grandfather trained Take a Bow to win the Australian Cup in 1962, which he was there to witness. Alan also advised, he use to walk his grandfathers greyhounds, as a youth. "Alan lived in Melbourne until 1963 and his early experiences with greyhounds occurred there. He never mentioned going to Harold Park in 1956".


Gary: Point3 The positive unpublicised news is that, current rego's for all will be extended to 30/6/2019. Did we have a choice?

Will more background checks, Training, extra fee structure Re: Breeding, Rearing, Breaking Dogs etc Be covered by GRNSW? seeing we haven't had a decent Prizemoney Increase?.....bs
Gary Point5 Mate: This amounts to more Pathways & Masters racing? so I assume 12 races on TAB tracks will become the norm?.....bs
Point7 Gary: Puppy bond...Why? cant produce full fields now? Modest? $100? $200?..Holly shit just had 12 pups..$1200! $2400! still a modest fee? 3 never got named? get your money back? What about the ones you sold Interstate?? Not thought though..Dogs Brekky Gary!
Point 12..? lost me completely! Hang on, I attended the 1968 G/F between Carlton v Richmond...I should be qualified to run the AFL?
Gary your being led up the proverbial garden path if you believe that crap?


Terry Jordan
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18 Apr 2018 01:48


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Carly Absalom wrote:

Bruce,

I agree that his statement about the tax parity was rubbish.

The IER Report was a joke. Lets not forget the first time The Championships were run it did not justify the amount of money the government had put into it. Then suddenly this report said how much it helps the economy because of things like women buying hats to wear to the races.

At the time of the report no one challenged it because no one realised it would be used for anything. Then suddenly the horses were using it to justify them, yet again, getting our money.

I am also aware of how much work the greyhounds were doing to get the tax parity. They were under the impression they would get 18%. The first we heard of it being only 10% was when there was an email from the horses (to ATC members etc), gloating about what a good deal they were getting. There were then lots of meeting with politicians before the legislation passed but apparently the deal had already been done so no changes were made. (I think Paul Newson was in charge at that point at GRNSW so it was the GBOTA that did this) The SFFP and Fred Nile both put up amendments. I remember watching as it passed the upper house. Dr Kaye from the Greens said something like whilst normally he would have supported the amendments of the SFFP and Christian Democrats he did not believe the greyhound industry would be around for very long anyways so there was no point.

I do wonder exactly what the horses did to get such a good deal.


Carly: Your last line, Yesterday in the Telegraph they reported the rorts and gratuitous gifts, tips etc Councillor's in Sydney & regions were receiving regularly . They included FREE Memberships to the Sydney Turf Club. Poor V'Landys has had to extend the Bar & Restaurant areas at Randwick & Rosehill to accommodate all these Political free loaders & Councillors. ( Now that's good PR & Tax Deductable) Isn't it?

BTW. I think if Teflon Mike was Premier today, V'Landys would have gladly bought him a 1/2 Share in Winx! and still came out on top.


Mark Donohue
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18 Apr 2018 02:16


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11/10/2016 (about a month before the Orange By-Election)

Quote form a media source

New South Wales Premier Mike Baird says he ditched a ban on greyhounds because he "got it wrong" and believes the majority of the community wants the industry to have a second chance.

Key points:

$1,500 bond for every dog bred, breeding to be capped to 2,000 and number of tracks reduced

Tough penalties will be introduced and increased funding for rehoming

Leadership spill avoided as result of position change

NSW Cabinet ministers this morning officially signed off on a plan to reverse the greyhound racing ban.

The ministers took a new policy to the partyroom that will mean fewer races, fewer tracks and a suite of tougher animal welfare measures.

Mr Baird said while the community was rightly horrified by the findings, they also wanted the industry to be given one more chance.

He brushed off suggestions that polls had shown a majority of people in New South Wales supported the ban and he was actually listening to a vocal minority.

"So it's clear in hindsight as we reflect on this we got it wrong I got it wrong, the Cabinet got it wrong, the Government got it wrong," he said.

Unquote

September 2016 - The Alliance gave guarantees in September 2016.

October 2016 - Ban was to be overturned

November 2016 - SFF Part won the Orange By-Election and created history.

March 2017 - Iemma's Reform Panel and Recommendations came out shortly after.

July 2017 - Greyhound Racing Act was enacted

Well, he lied to the Alliance and the Alliance contributed to the conditions.


Terry Jordan
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18 Apr 2018 02:48


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Mark: After the reversal of the Ban! what comes first the second chance? Then the Death sentence?
Baird stated : He was right in principle, to close the Industry! got it wrong in implementation. Would be proud of the way things are now progressing.
The Alliance at the time was fighting for survival. Under such duress you'd be tempted to state anything to survive. Baird knew this, and used it. Once the Ban was over/turned, the Status Quo should have returned. And Changes/Recommendations/New Governances etc Started from scratch. This never happened. (Due-Process)


Carly Absalom
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18 Apr 2018 02:59


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EXTERNAL LINK



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18 Apr 2018 03:24


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Carly Absalom wrote:

EXTERNAL LINK


Getting close to an Election Carly! Wont persuade decisions made by Govt either way. Greyhound Racing : Reeks of MONEY on the other hand and GREENS, ANIMAL RIGHTS revolt it. Niall Blair is plasticine in their hands.
Just look at the Shark/Netting problems up the Nth. Coast.
When they release a Turtle or Sea Bird back into the wild they proclaim, demand National TV coverage.


Carly Absalom
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18 Apr 2018 03:48


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I think it is something we can use.

It acknowledges that consultation with stakeholders is needed. Something we are currently not being afforded.

It acknowledges that there can be unintended consequences if not done properly. Think cobalt and arsenic thresholds, hydration policy etc.

It says they will start again. Something that we desperately need to be done in relation to us. Throw out the Reform Panel recommendations, a body that was not properly structured and was conducted with the ban legislation still in force and hanging over our heads.

In terms of community expectations it seems to be suggesting that it realises the community actually expects people affected to be consulted and be on these advisory committees and not just the animals rights groups that we seem to always be stuck with.


Gary Brown
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18 Apr 2018 04:18


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Terry Jordan wrote:

Gary Brown wrote:

GWIC - Review of my notes. I emailed my notes of the meeting below and they replied with the following;

Dear Gary,
Thank you for your email and attendance at the Yagoona roadshow. There are a few inaccuracies in your notes, which Id like to clarify.
Point 3- the positive unpublicised news is that, current registrations for all will be extended to 30/6/2019- "As explained at the roadshow, there will be new requirements for registration including enhanced background checks and training. All current licences held with GRNSW will be rolled over to give participants time to complete training".
Point 5- There will be a move to extend the racing opportunities for slow/slowing dogs- "This is a decision for GRNSW. GRNSW is looking into the matter but no decision has been made at this stage".
Point 7- John Keniry spoke about the Bond and it will be introduced unless the Governments decision can be changed and a model is being developed. "It is important to clarify that the Greyhound Industry Reform Panel, led by Morris Iemma recommended the creation of a modest, upfront bond paid by the breeder and ongoing annual payments paid by the owner. The Government accepted this recommendation. No decisions have been made yet about the amount or terms of the bond".
Point 12- At the end of the meeting when challenged by a participant, Alan Brown confirmed his commitment in trying to help the Greyhound Industry and he and his immediate family were involved in Greyhound Racing in the early part of his life, with him attending his first greyhound meeting in 1956 at Harold Park (?) and his grandfather trained Take a Bow to win the Australian Cup in 1962, which he was there to witness. Alan also advised, he use to walk his grandfathers greyhounds, as a youth. "Alan lived in Melbourne until 1963 and his early experiences with greyhounds occurred there. He never mentioned going to Harold Park in 1956".


Gary: Point3 The positive unpublicised news is that, current rego's for all will be extended to 30/6/2019. Did we have a choice?

Will more background checks, Training, extra fee structure Re: Breeding, Rearing, Breaking Dogs etc Be covered by GRNSW? seeing we haven't had a decent Prizemoney Increase?.....bs
Gary Point5 Mate: This amounts to more Pathways & Masters racing? so I assume 12 races on TAB tracks will become the norm?.....bs
Point7 Gary: Puppy bond...Why? cant produce full fields now? Modest? $100? $200?..Holly shit just had 12 pups..$1200! $2400! still a modest fee? 3 never got named? get your money back? What about the ones you sold Interstate?? Not thought though..Dogs Brekky Gary!
Point 12..? lost me completely! Hang on, I attended the 1968 G/F between Carlton v Richmond...I should be qualified to run the AFL?
Gary your being led up the proverbial garden path if you believe that crap?

Terry

I did not offer an opinion, just an interpretation (my notes) what was relayed at the Roadshow.



Bruce Teague
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Carly,

The answer to "I do wonder exactly what the horses did to get such a good deal" is very obvious - the big end of town.

Even so, this is fuel for the challenge in that Grant, like Baird, often displayed an apparent personal dislike of greyhounds ...

* The wording of clauses in the brief to McHugh - ie should it be shut down is a leading question in law.
* The selection of Rushton as Counsel Assisting (a greenish history)
* Using a 10% figure ex IER which his advisors would have certainly been aware of, if not him.
* The delay in implementing the 10% - until the future was sorted out.
* His obvious acquiescence to Baird's incorrect and over the top advertising - as criticised by the Auditor General - given he was Deputy Premier and Racing Minister.
* The AG also pointed out that personal views were ethically improper to use when arriving at decisions.
* Anything else you can think of but note the Bar Association strongly criticised him for (unrelated) other reasons, including making the Attorney General report to him as Police Minister, which was unprecedented.

And there is no question that Newson was at GRNSW - he responded to the 10% by agreeing with it officially.

The only purpose of the IER report was so that NSW could chest thump by saying my industry is better than yours. Vic had already done similar but different studies.



Trevor Hagney
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18 Apr 2018 06:14


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Carly,
Niall Blair (who looks up to Mike Baird and Troy Grant) showed his hand with todays media release. The draft proposed breeding controls and level 3 & 4 Animal Studies certification for breeders of domestic animals.
With the backlash from the greyhound debacle,the government is probably running scared at the thought of the domestic animal fraternity turning on them as well.
Much smarter to wait until after the next election then ram through whatever legislation they want.


Mark Staines
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18 Apr 2018 06:30


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Well let's all make sure there sent packing at the next election !


Terry Jordan
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18 Apr 2018 06:31


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Trevor Hagney wrote:

Carly,
Niall Blair (who looks up to Mike Baird and Troy Grant) showed his hand with todays media release. The draft proposed breeding controls and level 3 & 4 Animal Studies certification for breeders of domestic animals.
With the backlash from the greyhound debacle,the government is probably running scared at the thought of the domestic animal fraternity turning on them as well.
Much smarter to wait until after the next election then ram through whatever legislation they want.

To true Trevor! Dogs are Dogs! Unless they are Greyhounds in NSW?

Gary: Not having a dig at you! Unless you believe the crap they are feeding back.


Carly Absalom
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18 Apr 2018 07:01


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Agree Trevor but we are voters too. Maybe it's time to remind them of that.


Terry Jordan
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18 Apr 2018 07:35


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Carly Absalom wrote:

Agree Trevor but we are voters too. Maybe it's time to remind them of that.

Carly: We had much imput from WDA into Greyhound Welfare, Socialisation, Homing, Animal Husbandry etc. After the fall out with LB. Try and check their Web/Site, with their COP regarding Working Dogs? How many hours can a cattle dog work in 100 deg Heat? Can they be Transported in the back of a Ute, on a chain? Is it beneficial to reside under a cut 44 Gallon drum? How often do WDA check these dogs living, working conditions? Flee & Tick control?
GRNSW paid these fools 100's of thousands to implement rules to force recommendations to help force closure of our Industry. IMO



Anthony McVicker
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I breed and own only.

Q. What course or qualification will I need to donate my funds to the industry every year ?

Secondly, how do get out of being a greyhound participant in NSW ?



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