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The final COP for the keeping of racing greyhounds in Victoria can be found on DEDJTR's website ... EXTERNAL LINK
Along with a Statement of Reasons (down the bottom of the page)
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 23 Apr 2018 03:45
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I've only had a chance to skim read it.....but it all looks pretty standard.
They appear to have listened and removed the ridiculous measures and come back with a pretty reasonable code.
JMO
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2018 03:55
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Some of it is so out of touch, contradictory, and ridiculous.
Some of it just plain commonsense.
And this was with industry consultation? You sure?
"Puppies from 3 WEEKS of age must be taught to wear a collar and walk on a lead." Seriously? Walk to where? Not vaccinated? What?
"From 3 WEEKS of age provide different surfaces and bedding material." So little tackers who are still very much learning to walk and run can slip and slide so that their pelvises can be permanently damaged or scoff bedding that blocks their intestines? Really?
"From 3 WEEKS of age partial or COMPLETE ISOLATION from the litter to acclimatise them to isolation? Love it.
There are quite a few other doozies...
We have a few welfare issues here...gone from the sublime to the ridiculous in part.
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Apr 2018 05:31
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the bit about young pups with the collars and leads is crazy,i,ll ask my learned friend bruce what he thinks,i,d be interested to get his response on the whole draft,the bit about community expectations made me smile,all there worried about at the moment is sheep on ships,maybe milne can have a look at that,but in the meantime we just suck it up.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Apr 2018 06:26
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Going to be a stack of paperwork to prove that you have complied with every requirement for each dog (seems a step backwards given GRV is all online). Perhaps the industry will need an suitable App developed!
Mr Britton spoke at some NSW workshops of what he had seen in America.Breeders employed low paid handlers to physically stay in the pup yard all day with pups from the age of 3 weeks to 6-8 weeks to acclimatise them to humans. He didn't mention what training methods were carried out in that time. Makes sense to gain the pups confidence before teaching it submissive traits. But who is footing the bill.
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 23 Apr 2018 10:04
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For God's sake- they don't open their eyes for 10 to 14 days & then they are basically crawling. Which rock did these dimwits crawl out of.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2018 10:46
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Perhaps this opens an opportunity for a new business venture, or two. I'm quite willing to collaborate with interested parties to get something going.
The first invention I thought of was a mass production of titty lures. The titty lure would be a miniature version of a conventional lure, synthetic of course, secured to each of the brood's titties, so once the sack is broken, out comes the bubby and chases the lure to the titty, hence early education of reward for effort...so to speak.
The second is an extension of the first... At two days old, pre-fab sprint lanes can be inserted into the whelping box. The titty lures are attached to long strings that can be dragged in front of the puppies who race to the other end where the brood is laying patiently with a belly full of milk.
The third is starting boxes but I'll have to get back to you on that one...it's a bit tricky.
Had a quick look ,paperwork may force trainers to ask for weekly training fees , some of the rearing guidelines in regards to socialising it will be hard to maintain the hours they demand without forcing up prices to have pups reared ( I also don't agree with over exposing young dogs to scenarios that will turn them into pets before professional race dogs anyone with any experience with rearing dogs knows it's hard enough as it is without throwing external non racing experiences into young dogs minds) And it seems trainers or the person in charge will need to consult a vet for just about everything,I know how our local vets charge and their bills for even getting some anti biotics for a small cut on a foot start at $100 after "the consultation fee" They will cash in on this big time ,from my experience the only Vet that has greyhound considered rates is Des Fegen ,it's no coincidence he is one of the most experienced Greyhound vets in vic, as he understands the industry better than most and charges his clients with their greyhounds the most important consideration not $
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 23 Apr 2018 11:04
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They should be taught to stay still until you tell them to race. No need for starting boxes then. Its just common sense Michael, lol.
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Apr 2018 11:09
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i,ll take half a dozen of the titty and the same with the sprint lane but you,ll have have to put them on the drip feed,because i spent all my folding on vet bills ,michael,
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 23 Apr 2018 11:57
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There is nothing to be gained with commonsense, Simon, besides, I need to make a living somehow.
No worries about the drip feed, John but you'll have to join the queue.
It all seems a compromise between commonsense and "here you go whackos, we promised you could have your little say in it, we are going to cop some flak but such is political life when we have to appease fruitcakes and nutters."
A sensible and logical COP could have been achieved with a small team who were instructed to consult with the industry and see for themselves what is applicable and practicable for the industry and leave out the nutters.
Reminds me a lot of the WDA report that the majority condemned and the minority(1) advocated. Some of it filled with commonsense, common knowledge, and some of it tainted with extremist's nonsensical agenda driven hogwash.
Peter Franklin Australia (Verified User) Posts 90 Dogs 3 / Races 0 23 Apr 2018 14:15
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Robert Morris wrote:
Going to be a stack of paperwork to prove that you have complied with every requirement for each dog (seems a step backwards given GRV is all online). Perhaps the industry will need an suitable App developed!
Perhaps GRV or GOBTA could write a soft ware program or better adapt Fasttrack to assist participants with the records compliance. Data already held by Fasttrack under "Health" vaccinations etc. could be expanded to include relevant input from trainers, & breeders with printable &/or downloadable reports on individual greyhounds available to relevant registered participants and authorised GRV inspectors. GRV are supposed to assist participants in complying with the Code this would be a huge relief to the compliance workload enabling participants to get on with caring of the greyhounds.
Tom Welsh Australia (Verified User) Posts 2112 Dogs 67 / Races 11 23 Apr 2018 20:53
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GRV will need to support participants comply that is for sure.
I understand GRV will be reviewing and then working out how to manage compliance.
As for that 3 week puppy issue above, hopefully others provided feedback to the initial code that countered it. I know I did, but hoping I wasn't the only one that actually sent the feedback to DEJDTR.
Perhaps GRV or GOBTA could write a soft ware program or better adapt Fasttrack to assist participants with the records compliance. Data already held by Fasttrack under "Health" vaccinations etc. could be expanded to include relevant input from trainers, & breeders with printable &/or downloadable reports on individual greyhounds available to relevant registered participants and authorised GRV inspectors.
I think youll find that well be able to do our record keeping online via FastTrack the implementation date for the code is January 2020 so theres plenty of time to put that together also GRV, with industry assistance, will be putting together a template for EHMPs to make that easier
As for that 3 week puppy issue above, hopefully others provided feedback to the initial code that countered it. I know I did, but hoping I wasn't the only one that actually sent the feedback to DEJDTR.
Tom .. the code says 'from three to 16 weeks' they must 'be taught to wear a collar and walk on the lead'
We definitely won't be putting collars on our three week old pups as they are barely out of the whelping box ... but they will be walking on the leads around 10/12 weeks, which I suggest would satisfy that requirement
Does anyone know whether the EHMPs will be able to be signed by a GRV vet free of charge? Or whether they will change that requirement so that it is just an authorised person from GRV who sights it and signs off on it? I dread to think how much a vet would charge if they have to read that much paperwork and sign off on it.
If the implementation date is not until 2020 does that mean that changes can still be made? I have only skimmed it but from what I read and from the observations on this thread, it does appear that it needs more work.
Also does anyone know if there is any evidence to back up the requirements they want us to meet in terms of socialising the pups? And by evidence I don't mean animal behaviourists telling us it will work but has this actually been done anywhere with racing greyhounds and been shown to improve success rates of them becoming pets after whilst not affecting their racing careers.
By asking this I am not coming down on either side of this debate. I don't rear pups myself so I don't know much about what is currently being done compared to what they want us to do. I am just curious to look at the evidence, assuming there is any.
Jack Ogilvie Australia (Verified User) Posts 15480 Dogs 0 / Races 1 23 Apr 2018 22:50
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To me it is a complete insult to all in our industry,most is common sense.Looks like their bla,bla,department trying to justify their role.I did have a good chuckle.what would some of the old timers have thought about this
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Apr 2018 22:56
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although i spend at least 2 hrs a day socialising with my pups,i have the time,many people do not,so i suggest you sing too them for at least 15 mins each day, from 3 weeks old you can choose one of the following rhymes 1 ring a ring a rosy 2,mary had a little lamb 3,here we go around the mulberry bush 4,humpty dumpty by the time they reach 10 to 12 weeks of age its time to start with hes got whole world in his hands what do you reckon " are ya with me"
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