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Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 20:49
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The Show dog World has a lot to offer Greyhound Racing. Incentive will assist to achieve almost anything in life. Kangaroo has a strong scent - Put Kangaroo kibble in the Lures - Greyhounds having a strong sense of smell will pick it up a mile away. At race end reward the Greyhounds that chased with 2 kibble bits - Optional for those Trainers who have Greyhounds that didnt chase. Use the same incentive method at Trial Tracks, Coursing and with Puppy Education lures. In general a fit Greyhound will chase because it can. Sick, Injured and poorly nourished Greyhounds will be less inclined to want to run.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 26 Apr 2018 21:11
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Welcome back, Peter. For the last few years it has been ILLEGAL-AGAINST THE RULES-DO IT AND YOU WILL BE BANNED to use anything on a lure that is NOT SYNTHETIC, PETER!!!!
Kangaroo kibble(never heard of it)I'm guessing is made from Kangaroo, Peter. Skippy is an animal, Peter!
"T t t t" What's that, Skip?
"T t t t" Yes, I know Skip. He's a funny fellow...
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 21:17
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Hmmmm - The Greyhound Industry, Owners, Trainers & Breeders need to stand up in the name of common sense. So Greyhounds don't eat meat??? I am talking about the reward system used widely in the Show dog World. Never heard of Animal Activists closing down Dog Shows due to rewarding their Exhibits. I often think The Greyhound Industry jumps at shadows - Even when its not dark.
Should the Greyhound Industry be bold enough to use scented incentives I defy any Activist to smell Kangaroo Meaty Bites inside a lure. - We are not talking about strapping Skippy to the arm.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 26 Apr 2018 21:40
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Perhaps you can have a chat with our mate Bwuce on this one, Peter. It comes under his assumption that this type of thing is a DERIVATIVE of live baiting...yes, the show dog world is full of derivate live baited muts, Peter!
Perhaps a quick perusal of the last few years of posts on GD will bring you up to speed, Pete.
"T t t t t t t" Skip, I know, I know, I know...
John Watts Australia (Verified User) Posts 976 Dogs 7 / Races 6 26 Apr 2018 21:46
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Of course it is ridiculous, unless GA is revamped, Scott Parker pi##ed off and the States getting some balls nothing will change. When questioned on the subject via the Catching Pen program,Mestrov nearly dislocated his jaw in refusal to consider it. It was a knee jerk reaction at the time of implementation and remains so
Ian Bradshaw Australia (Verified User) Posts 251 Dogs 6 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 22:10
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Welcome back, Peter. For the last few years it has been ILLEGAL-AGAINST THE RULES-DO IT AND YOU WILL BE BANNED to use anything on a lure that is NOT SYNTHETIC, PETER!!!!
Kangaroo kibble(never heard of it)I'm guessing is made from Kangaroo, Peter. Skippy is an animal, Peter!
"T t t t" What's that, Skip?
"T t t t" Yes, I know Skip. He's a funny fellow...
I just got an email from BUGS BUNNY, he said Rabbit Kibble works better than Kangaroo Kibble.
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 22:16
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For decades before 2015 99.9% of all pups that were sent away to get broken-in were blooded as a incentive to chase. I worry about the next generation of brood bitches post 2015 that have not been exposed to that type of incentive to chase, by using non organic incentives we are breeding the natural instinct out of the greyhound breed. JMO cheers everyone
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 23:48
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paul haig wrote:
For decades before 2015 99.9% of all pups that were sent away to get broken-in were blooded as a incentive to chase. I worry about the next generation of brood bitches post 2015 that have not been exposed to that type of incentive to chase, by using non organic incentives we are breeding the natural instinct out of the greyhound breed. JMO cheers everyone
Ah we have somebody who watches races, and notes the results! Naughty corner for you Mr. Haig. (Breeding No Paul? that's inherit, now chase motivation and REWARD doesn't sit well with our Authorities, hence all the FTC tickets, Nonies etc. Yet we are told we have an obligation to supply a Commercial, Competitive market for the TAB!) Who is letting, Who down?
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 2 / Races 0 26 Apr 2018 23:52
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John Watts wrote:
Of course it is ridiculous, unless GA is revamped, Scott Parker pi##ed off and the States getting some balls nothing will change. When questioned on the subject via the Catching Pen program,Mestrov nearly dislocated his jaw in refusal to consider it. It was a knee jerk reaction at the time of implementation and remains so
Mr. Mestrov.said on many of his visits to various towns that he is there to make greyhound racing viable and sustanable. Well if keeps doing nothing for the owners. breeders,and trainers,then his word is no better than the actions and words of the ones before him, and it certainly looks that way.So Come on Mr. Mestrov Practice what you speak, you would be a better man for it.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 03:46
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Oh and for the record - When Greyhounds are retired to the GAP Program the likelihood of the Greyhounds coming into contact with Kangaroos is less likely than Cattle Sheep Possums Rabbits Pigs etc.
What was the reference I made to common sense - Perhaps not so common after all.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 04:27
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Michael you would be better to generate your energies towards discussing the issues with Administrators to fix Trainers issues with non chasing Greyhounds. Sarcasim is a low form of wit and will prove to do nothing to rectify the problem.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 04:46
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Peter, MG was just informing you that we cant use it. Mate, its been banned for about three years. Where have you been ?
Please write to GA, GRV and GRNSW because we agree with you. Inform us of the responses. Its common sense, but the authorities have suppressed these types of ideas to try and destroy the industry. There are soft leaders in the industry. Vote the right way n it might be overcome.
Great idea and its good to read it again. Bwuce doesnt think they use their nose.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 27 Apr 2018 05:03
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Peter Bryce wrote:
Michael you would be better to generate your energies towards discussing the issues with Administrators to fix Trainers issues with non chasing Greyhounds. Sarcasim is a low form of wit and will prove to do nothing to rectify the problem.
Humble apologies, Pete, but I don't have much wit left after being in this industry for this long. So, if it is "low" I'll gleefully accept that. Besides, sarcasm is in my DNA...can't help it. HOWEVER, I do agree with you in regards to the ridiculousness of it all. HOWEVER, it must have been a big rock you have been living under for the last few years to not realize any form of animal products is prohibited... Gibraltar? Sorry, DNA...
"...generate your energies towards discussing the issues with administrators..." I can only take that as a sarcastic payback...fair enough.
Commonsense will never prevail while the industry lets itself be kicked in the guts.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:15
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I often think The Greyhound Industry jumps at shadows - Even when its not dark.
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:18
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It appears that some Greyhound Trainers are inferring that I am suggesting trainers put incentives into race day lures ?? Blind Freddie knows that cant happen Come on Guys and Gals get off your butts and as One push for reform - Reform that achieves objectives
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:21
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Peter, MG was just informing you that we cant use it. Mate, its been banned for about three years. Where have you been ?
Please write to GA, GRV and GRNSW because we agree with you. Inform us of the responses. Its common sense, but the authorities have suppressed these types of ideas to try and destroy the industry. There are soft leaders in the industry. Vote the right way n it might be overcome.
Great idea and its good to read it again. Bwuce doesnt think they use their nose.
It appears that some Greyhound Trainers are inferring that I am suggesting trainers put incentives into race day lures ?? Blind Freddie knows that cant happen Come on Guys and Gals get off your butts and as One push for reform - Reform that achieves objectives
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:29
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Peter, MG was just informing you that we cant use it. Mate, its been banned for about three years. Where have you been ?
Please write to GA, GRV and GRNSW because we agree with you. Inform us of the responses. Its common sense, but the authorities have suppressed these types of ideas to try and destroy the industry. There are soft leaders in the industry. Vote the right way n it might be overcome.
Great idea and its good to read it again. Bwuce doesnt think they use their nose.
The industry needs someone like "The Dog Whisperer" Ceasar Milan (sadly passed away from Heart attack) Someone to present a case on facts about Hounds to The Industry Leaders - These people believe the TAB Turnover will be around to pay their wages for their working lifetime. Well Surprise Surprise - Non chasing greyhounds and the Punter walks away. Does anyone know "A Dog Whisperer"
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:34
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Peter Bryce wrote:
Michael you would be better to generate your energies towards discussing the issues with Administrators to fix Trainers issues with non chasing Greyhounds. Sarcasim is a low form of wit and will prove to do nothing to rectify the problem.
Humble apologies, Pete, but I don't have much wit left after being in this industry for this long. So, if it is "low" I'll gleefully accept that. Besides, sarcasm is in my DNA...can't help it. HOWEVER, I do agree with you in regards to the ridiculousness of it all. HOWEVER, it must have been a big rock you have been living under for the last few years to not realize any form of animal products is prohibited... Gibraltar? Sorry, DNA...
"...generate your energies towards discussing the issues with administrators..." I can only take that as a sarcastic payback...fair enough.
Commonsense will never prevail while the industry lets itself be kicked in the guts.
Commonsense will never prevail while the industry lets itself be kicked in the guts. Michael you have shone a torch on THE PROBLEM!! These Industry Leaders are walking up a tunnel without a torch Time for the Industry Participants to shed some light into the tunnel - Show them the way !!
Peter Bryce Australia (Verified User) Posts 706 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 05:42
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I suggest you all take a deep breath and read the thread from the start. - No I haven't been under a rock - I just get tired of listening to continual complaining and few ideas put forward other than the prehistoric ideas of old time baiting. When I was younger a wise man told me Son if you have a problem and fix it you no longer have the problem - Leave it and another will come along and another. It appears the Industry is seeing a new list of problems occurring. "Its Time To Fix Them".
When the Greyhound Industry united as one and demonstrated to the NSW Baird Government what "People Power" can achieve the Industry Participants drew a line in the sand. The participants are allowing Industry Leaders to cross that line.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Apr 2018 06:00
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Peter Bryce wrote:
I suggest you all take a deep breath and read the thread from the start. - No I haven't been under a rock - I just get tired of listening to continual complaining and few ideas put forward other than the prehistoric ideas of old time baiting. When I was younger a wise man told me Son if you have a problem and fix it you no longer have the problem - Leave it and another will come along and another. It appears the Industry is seeing a new list of problems occurring. "Its Time To Fix Them".
Look over the "Fence" Pete, you'll see a plethora of "Experts" getting paid exorbitant wages to "Fix" our problems. Getting close now to one "Expert" to every one problem. (Do yourself a favour and have a drive to Bathurst).
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