Peter,
I disagree with your statement and believe youve misinterpreted the humour. Thats how MG communicates, so you should read through it and youll find that he is quite informative.

On a side note, some of the industry leaders are allowing others to walk all over them.

Besides, I cant contain Bwuce on my own. He wears me out with his writings and his strange knowledge of the sight hound.

You are right Peter, when statements are made by powers that be they should be challenged to supply the facts/evidence to back up their claims on every occasion, and if they wheel out the public confidence palava particularly ask them to supply the source of their claims. The vegan army,greens and other protest groups are not the general public.

Clearly you are not aware of the newly evolving bureaucracy empowered to impose sanctions rules etc from a position of ultimate ignorance and emotional reactivity.
Now the motivation that drives these bureaucrats is "most likely" not the job at hand but an upgrade in the NSW public service as recently stated by a senior appointment. She also added she knew nothing about greyhound racing but was most willing to learn.
Now Peter are you being the devils advocate?
What motivates you to proffer such advice initially?
It seems you have derived an income from greyhounds are you 'as a commercial operator " attempting to sure up your future income?
Would it not be more beneficial to be not argumentative with active (& passionate) participants and use your business acumen to guide/mentor those within the industry that could use that to wage a war on the obvious stupidity that now rules ?
Many people know or believe Baird let the genie out of the bottle and its reproducing rapidly with aforementioned bureaucrats and appointed "Japs in the jungle".

Positive suggestions in these pages are encouraged a solution it appears isn't clear in the short term as has been discussed ad infinitum .

Jim Please Please - I fully understand the RULES - I am saying if you want Greyhounds to chase Trainers need to ACT!!
Sitting back waiting for others to do it for you wont happen.
I am tired of hearing complaints from frustrated Trainers - Don't tell me they don't know what to do. Demand a forum with Administration - The largest Hall you can find. GET ORGANISED!!!

You need to present facts to hierarchy - How do owners get Obedience dogs to jump hurdles and go through tunnels - How do Sheep dog and Cattle dog owners achieve results - REWARD REWARD REWARD - Its time for Owners Breeders Trainers to get off their arse - Stop complaining and DO SOMETHING !!
Go to Administrators as ONE - With Facts.
AGAIN Don't loose the ground that was gained with Baird resigning as a result of "People Power"

Want a start point?? Contact the Opposition Racing Minister in your State.
I found Tim Bull the Opposition Racing Minister in Victoria interested, enthusiastic, sympathetic, and helpful.
I feel sure that you will find the same in each State.

Oh Jim, NOT POSSIBLE?? Anything and Everything is possible. Ask Mike Baird.

The NSW public servant who wrote that we are stupid or illiterate should be embarrassed. We just dont have proper leadership for all participants.

Where to?
Succession perhaps?

Another Classic from M/s Parker to their Advertising Moguls, Quote: "Please ensure that your pitch addresses the issue of regional v metro attributes ie: In regional areas people are more likely to be more accepting of small animal deaths (Live Baiting) because their lifestyle means they have to kill rabbits etc.

To bloody right Catherine! They are classed as an obnoxious Pest!
Dear Catherine: $40,ooo fine, to take said Obnoxiuos Pest into Qld
You love, hung the McHugh garbage on the pretext that Rabbits were a Protected, Sacred species....... It worked Catherine, but who are the stupid ones?

Someone wrote we have to vote for the Common Sense Party. There is only one Party supporting greyhound racing.

Sorry if five hounds catch their small prey in an open paddock I would give catch to nothing left in 10 seconds max, they won't all sit down and think about it.

I agree John - Given that the Reward method hasn't been used on Greyhounds I don't believe there has been any research done
I professionally Videotaped Club, Open, Championship and National Shows for Victorian Canine Clubs from 1993 to 2005 as well as Obedience Agility, Herding Trials and Classes for herding with a Tutor from Oklahoma USA (in Victoria) and I saw how the reward system works with Canine.

Here's the challenge when next trialling your Greyhounds try the reward system BUT when the Greyhound doesn't put in, withhold the reward. Practice makes perfect.

Do you think there would be a market for synthesized rabbit odour/scent?.
I certainly do a ready market. Feral animal carcases( i.e. deceased) have been used to reinforce/reward greyhounds for as long as mechanical coursing has existed.

Seems ultruistic that humans may go to supermarkets butchers abbatoirs and if paleo diet inclined be consumed immediately after purchase and exotic animals in zoos munch on donkeys cows whatever the keepers deem feasible and another carnivore ,the greyhound, may not in the publics gaze.

The issue is of the ongoing humanization of animals and predominantly by urbanites who have a major disconnect with species other than humans. This fact accounts for the ego defence mechanism of sublimation being employed. It is a sad indictement of society that this is focused on animals and not homeless human beings.
Bottom line I have a cause therefore I may see myself as good wholesome upstanding.
A classic example of this humanization of animal is a term I first heard, after Baird ruined an enjoyable pastime sport profession hobby and more with his edict from the mount, was calling Greyhounds Non human citizens.Some proponents of this folly were extreme in their views extolling the moral obligation was to treat each species sub species (lets say organism) as equals.
Yet a bacteria is murdered by those same deluded human citizens with antibiotics as their right.
You will find antiseptic and disinfectant solutions in their homes again murdering organisms they appear to have ignored in persuing their noble quest.
I am not sure how many mosquito strains have been made extinct by Mortein how many happy weevil families torn apart by murderous rampages.

Sounding rather silly now to put it mildly.
Can you say Peter you can turn an evergrowing number of such deluded human citizens thinking around.

F*$# political correctness it's groupthink and undemocratic nature.
An epidemic or dieties forbid war will see it dissolved in little or no time and greyhounds will then be coursed at Hyde Park for the displeasure of the Utopian proponents of a perfect world and architects and sheep following the highly discriminatory concept of Political correctness.It is said it's purpose is to empower all but it's action disempowers the majority.

Vote 1 I say The Zika Virus and Ross River Fever candidates at all upcoming elections. Equal rights you want you demand then adopt an underprivileged Ebola Colony.

I suggest the proponents of and enforcers of this discrimination be made account for their actions .At least be made slaughter butcher the animals they consume as an educational tool in the theory of reality and more importantly GROSS HYPOCRISY

How do you react to apples and oranges comparison based advice?
Dog whisperers Oklahoman herding tutors show dogs agility training very basic Operant Conditioning revelations is reflective of the advisors level of understanding of current issues and is in fact grandiose to believe trainers and all those passionate about our sport do not possess high levels of psychological insight into the dogs we prepare.
I posed serious questions that were ducked better than Bob Hawke replies by the initiator of this thread.
Having bred Black Barbs (Kelpies) Aust Cattle dogs (Blues) trained them worked them in yards and paddocks (ex stock and station agent)
and bred reared broken in trained and raced Greyhounds.( not blowing my own trumpet merely an attempt to establish some credibility in this debate) I too ,Peter, have sufficient experience in these relevant fields to have formed opinions that I am happy to back with facts where necessary.

A friend a mentor and owner of one the largest most successful greyhound studs worldwide (self made man) said many times early on in my participation "It"s the dogs job to trick you Jimmy never forget"
I never have.

Greyhounds eat Beef Horse Poultry - The Administrators have to be educated Greyhounds need to be Reared, Broken in, Trained and Raced on the SCENT of their natural evening meal - Perhaps Rice and Vegetables would be just as effective.

All of the old methods of yesteryear are history - The Industry Participants have to reinvent themselves - That Jim was the purpose of this thread.

Oh and a wise old man once told me "The hardest thing to invoke Is change".
However it is surprising how many changes have been made to Greyhound Racing in a short time.
Ever since the "Live Baiting" issue was unfolded the Industry has never seen so much change in such a short time.
"Just a little bit further to go"

Trainers its over to you from here.