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Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 14 Jun 2018 01:03
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Bruce Teague wrote:
There is a further question that has been raised here - are stewards competent? My answer to that would be barely.
For example
1. Some time back I was invited to a stewards meeting to discuss a point I made about race times. In assessing a performance, stewards frequently made reference to a BON time as a guide. Yet BONs are a very poor measure in themselves. They can be affected by the class of runners, the weather or even by a talented maiden spearing out in front of a mediocre field and running great time. The more valid comparison, where available, is with times the dog has previously run itself. 2. At the same meeting one steward asked why I did not mention it at the meeting if I had a problem. Two answers there; my observations are that stewards are flat chat with their mandatory duties and running back and forth, hence it would be hard to pin them down for the question; second, I would want to review all the relevant facts when I do a post mortem of the meeting, prior to sounding off. 3. Currently stewards often quiz the trainer about a poor performance of a favourite but without assessing whether the dogs price was valid in the first place. Often it is not. Betting patterns often reflect an artificial follow-the-leader practice. Stewards are wasting everybodys time unless they evaluate the worth of the market info. 4. In Slaters case, the dog ran much slower times in winning the heat/semi/final of the Egg than other dogs did on the same nights, or that it did in an earlier series at Wenty, or in a heat at Horsham in March (27.02). It then began poorly and bombed out in the Horsham final, presumably incurring an injury at the same time. A keen form student would have been looking at this history as well as at how the dog raced. 5. If its a comparison, gallops stewards have dedicated expert form assessors briefing other stewards from race to race about likely or advised riding practices and sectional times. Greyhound stewards give the impression they dont do this. 6. A personal opinion I think assessments of fighting and resultant penalties need review. Its a question of interpretation. While nobody wants a nasty fighter, my observation is that many dogs pinged for fighting are doing not much more than trying to get to the bunny when a competitor gets in the road so they shove it out and race on. Often the offender itself has been knocked earlier in the race. Especially for inexperienced dogs, my tip would be to let stewards use a yellow card system rather than just a red one.
So my general answer is that steward performance can readily be improved with more professional training.
That angle won't work, nor will trying to convince anyone here by planting unpliable reasoning for your defamation in amongst all that mumbo jumbo. You're getting desperate and it is never going to work...trust me. The person you need to convince doesn't reside over an internet courthouse, Bruce. Now, about our wager?
Doug Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 867 Dogs 1 / Races 0 14 Jun 2018 01:20
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I come on this thread to see whats doing at the Gosford dog track not to read about others wanting to blue with each other please do me a favour and grow up
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 14 Jun 2018 01:43
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doug smart wrote:
I come on this thread to see whats doing at the Gosford dog track not to read about others wanting to blue with each other please do me a favour and grow up
Not sure I agree with the "grow up" because no Greyhound participant should be defamed, Doug, but I do agree that this thread is not the place for it. Agreed. Last post here. Apologies.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Jun 2018 03:00
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doug smart wrote:
I come on this thread to see whats doing at the Gosford dog track not to read about others wanting to blue with each other please do me a favour and grow up
Agree Mal! We should JUST start a thread "Ask Bruce" !!
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Jun 2018 04:58
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Nothing is happening at Gosford anyway..... did someone write Gosford ?
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 Jun 2018 05:48
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Nothing is happening at Gosford anyway..... did someone write Gosford ?
Mark: Truthful Tony stated all emails, Phone-calls, letters, questions would be answered. While he steered the ship. Anyone had any success in this area? (TRANSPARENCY) Participants wouldn't need to listen to gossip, innuendo, rumours, if this was true. Re: Gosford, Re: Puppy Bond, Re: Track closure's, Re: Industries Future? Gee I forgot that INFORMATIVE STRATEGIC PLAN.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 14 Jun 2018 17:27
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Funny thing about replies from the CEO, I sent my first email to him two days ago. So, Ill see how it goes and get back to you.
HI GUYS I WAS AT GOSFORD TODAY SO I DECIDED TO GO AROUND TO THE DOG TRACK TO SEE HOW IT WAS GOING I DROVE IN AND SEEN THEY HAD GO KART RACING GOING ON IN THE INSIDE TRACK. THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING DONE ON THE DOG TRACK IT LOOKS THE SAME AS PHOTOS PUT UP ON HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4318 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jul 2018 06:35
$30 mill of government funds allocated for track and safety may not be liquid at the moment (ie tied up in funds).At the end of the day,Racing Minister Toole has to sign off on the funding application. Could this happen on Tuesday,after the four corners horse report,lets see.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 08 Jul 2018 09:58
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Funny thing about replies from the CEO, I sent my first email to him two days ago. So, Ill see how it goes and get back to you.
Mark: ??????.....14th June
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Jul 2018 20:09
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Yes and ......... still no reply. Not even an acknowledgement.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Jul 2018 20:21
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ronald george hunter wrote:
What odds it's finished as a current racetrack!
There will be some sort of announcement coming soon. Did you know that the Office of Treasury, I think the Finance Dept as well as the Sports Minister have an input with where the monies are spent ? You bet your bottom dollar they do !
Giddy Up, ease back. Giddy Up, ease back.
Shackled is a word that comes to mind.
However, another is accountability. The estimate for the work to be done at Gosford is $675,000. The GBOTA couldve / shouldve kicked the tin for about $175,000 but hasnt / didnt. $6 Million in the bank and about $40 Million in assets, nah prefer to wait for the handout.
I come on this thread to see whats doing at the Gosford dog track not to read about others wanting to blue with each other please do me a favour and grow up
Agree Mal! We should JUST start a thread "Ask Bruce" !!
Terry, notice the Avatar, left top corner, racedog is Mal's post, other is doug post, please do confuse the two...
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 09 Jul 2018 01:53
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Hot off the Press is the following:
a big announcement tomorrow, Tuesday at 12.30pm at the Gosford Track by Mr Toole (for invited guests only) about Gosford.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Jul 2018 02:11
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Malcolm Smart wrote:
Terry Jordan wrote:
doug smart wrote:
I come on this thread to see whats doing at the Gosford dog track not to read about others wanting to blue with each other please do me a favour and grow up
Agree Mal! We should JUST start a thread "Ask Bruce" !!
Terry, notice the Avatar, left top corner, racedog is Mal's post, other is doug post, please do confuse the two...
My apology Mal! may it never happen again.(Can't promise though)
Today, Racing Minister TOOLE will be at the Gosford Greyhound Track at 12.30pm, with an announcement on the Tracks future. Please, get along and voice your concerns re: our future of the Industry !
Now i was going to take the drive down there to hear what he had to say but have been told it's a media event only and we wouldn't be permitted access.So again NO transparency.
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4318 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Jul 2018 01:32
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Well I guess that's all folks! Still being kept in the dark, and fed on bullshit!
I keep SAYING AND SAYING.we need another MARCH organised and show a bit of BACK BONE, until then we will be treated like SHIT by these NO GOOD BUNCH of SHIT CARTERS,we need to put a stop to all the BULLSHIT once and for all