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New Grading Needed For B Meetings in NSW
Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 13 Jun 2018 09:47
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Looking at grading in NSW my opinion is Juvenile pups need more Age restricted races for their early race career say for their first 8-10 starts if they are 22months or younger at time of nomination to give them a solid grounding in the game against their own age. Most Experience trainer would be looking to give their pups a small break around this age.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jun 2018 21:28
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Kevin,
In the olden days club graders did this as a matter of routine and common sense. Now it needs another line or two in the computer code - or what has been done elsewhere - ie Grade 6.
Either way it increases the millions that are spent constructing, maintaining and upgrading those computer programs - all due to the increasing complexity of the jobs they are asked to do.
Another way would be to instruct the central grader (a person) to override the computer as necessary. That still adds to costs.
Functionally, the age limit would be straightforward to introduce but the start numbers brings in an argumentative situation due to the varying maturity and experience of the dogs.
Overall, the industry has a habit of making grading more and more complex as each year goes by. That's not a good idea. KISS is always better.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Jun 2018 22:37
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kevin martin wrote:
Looking at grading in NSW my opinion is Juvenile pups need more Age restricted races for their early race career say for their first 8-10 starts if they are 22months or younger at time of nomination to give them a solid grounding in the game against their own age. Most Experience trainer would be looking to give their pups a small break around this age.
Kevin
I have been on this bandwagon for many years now, but my protests always fall on deaf ears.
SA seems to do it successfully, Vic has Grade 7 & 6, Tasmania has Juveniles, WA & QLD have Novice grades
The biggest breeding and racing State are obviously too dumb to work out that young dogs need racing orientation instead of being slaughtered against dogs of higher experience and grade
And then they wonder why there are lacking nominations or 500m dogs
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jun 2018 23:29
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
kevin martin wrote:
Looking at grading in NSW my opinion is Juvenile pups need more Age restricted races for their early race career say for their first 8-10 starts if they are 22months or younger at time of nomination to give them a solid grounding in the game against their own age. Most Experience trainer would be looking to give their pups a small break around this age.
The day is coming Sandro, whereby they just grade the "Best" eight dogs for each distance, then the next best eight etc. At least "Most" dogs would gain a start, instead of sitting at home Re: 5th. Grade dogs, Grades 1,2,3, because of OVER/RIDING urges to programme races for PATHWAYS & MASTERS. The current Grading system is Toxic, for fair & equitable racing! Include MASTERS in that category also.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 19 Jun 2018 00:30
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Terry Jordan wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
kevin martin wrote:
Looking at grading in NSW my opinion is Juvenile pups need more Age restricted races for their early race career say for their first 8-10 starts if they are 22months or younger at time of nomination to give them a solid grounding in the game against their own age. Most Experience trainer would be looking to give their pups a small break around this age.
The day is coming Sandro, whereby they just grade the "Best" eight dogs for each distance, then the next best eight etc. At least "Most" dogs would gain a start, instead of sitting at home Re: 5th. Grade dogs, Grades 1,2,3, because of OVER/RIDING urges to programme races for PATHWAYS & MASTERS. The current Grading system is Toxic, for fair & equitable racing! Include MASTERS in that category also.
Terry
That's what gets done in NZ, not many Grade 5 dogs there miss a start
If we could add the Juveniles/Novices and Pathways races for dogs out of form to grade those from the bottom up then most dogs shouldn't really miss many runs and the grading will be fairer
Trevor Hagney Australia (Verified User) Posts 81 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 07:05
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In NSW the most fraternised grade is also the lowest grade.Grade 5. Once a dog has won 3 races at a Tab B track and distance it is 3rd grade and will probably get one chance a month to race in Best 8 or FFA at that track.By introducing grades 6 & 7 more wins will be available for a dog at that track.If you allow 2 wins for grades 5,6 & 7 and then 1 win for each subsequent grade a dog can win 7 races before it is 3rd grade. Pathways dogs will be absorbed into grades 6 & 7.A lot of masters dogs run very good times and have excellent form,therefore should be graded with dogs under masters age. Grade 5 could then be split into more equal fields.
Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Jun 2018 09:11
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
kevin martin wrote:
Looking at grading in NSW my opinion is Juvenile pups need more Age restricted races for their early race career say for their first 8-10 starts if they are 22months or younger at time of nomination to give them a solid grounding in the game against their own age. Most Experience trainer would be looking to give their pups a small break around this age.
Kevin
I have been on this bandwagon for many years now, but my protests always fall on deaf ears.
SA seems to do it successfully, Vic has Grade 7 & 6, Tasmania has Juveniles, WA & QLD have Novice grades
The biggest breeding and racing State are obviously too dumb to work out that young dogs need racing orientation instead of being slaughtered against dogs of higher experience and grade
And then they wonder why there are lacking nominations or 500m dogs
Hi Sandro My Thinking on this is to help the young dogs to get a good grounding we may then have racing dogs able to step up to higher grade races at B Grading meetings and hopefully hit the A grade meetings with confidence and hopefully also get back to having a majority dogs racing over the 500mtrs and further.
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