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Race day supplements??
Noel Evans Australia (Verified User) Posts 53 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 00:31
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Does anyone know what you can or cannot give a dog on race day. After a long drive to the track, can you give your dog water with electrolytes?? Hearing a rumour that a dog was scratched from a group 1 final at Albion by the stewards because the trainer gave it a mixture of water and glucose the afternoon of the race?? It was classed as a race day treatment?? I am sure I have read an article put out by Australian Greyhounds which said it was only injections that would be banned 24 hours before race?? If this is the case then the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 16 Jun 2018 02:23
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Good question, Noel and buggered if I know the answer.
The only winners with the way this is all going will be Lawyers.
Read the proposed GA rules for prohibited substances and someone might be able to make a case that WATER is illegal.
Free-falling into oblivion.
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 16 Jun 2018 05:57
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How on Earth could anyone object to giving a dog water with or without electrolytes before kennelling and how would they know? *asking for a friend*
Paul Haig Australia (Verified User) Posts 57 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 06:35
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I know if I had a dog in a group 1 final I would not say a word to anybody least of all stewards let them find out for themselves!
Doug Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 867 Dogs 1 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 07:20
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A vet should come on this thread and give the advice sort or don't they know either
Jeanette Spruyt Australia (Verified User) Posts 246 Dogs 2 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 08:15
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There is only black and white, there should be no grey areas. I'm from Vic, so i can't comment on being in the know with NSW rules. But from a simple point of view this is the colour chart: you should know what is prohibited outright or what is not allowed pre-race. My understanding is the greyhound can access the supplement via their normal feed bowl placement. E.g. via a tablet put down their throat - that is not acceptable. You as a trainer would obviously have to know what supplements are ok opposed to those outlawed prior to a race. If you ring your racing department they should be able to clarify what is and isn't acceptable and the reason why. Is glucose under a heading that will enhance a system in your dog? Where else do you find glucose - in some re-hydration products? There should be no mysteries when it comes to what is and what isn't and definitley no ambiguity. Confusion is not fair. Someone needs to definitely ask the NSW racing headquarters and find out the answer. You know in saying this, it probably is a good idea, if there is an easier system to refer to, and this would only happen by developing a list for all. E.g. I asked not that long ago re: the withholding period of rapidgel on this forum. I have read on here that someone stated (not in answer to me at all but a much older thread) nil days. My frame was 48hrs, I sought an answer officially and I have now been told 24hrs, along with a reminder of swabbing probable timetable and also looking at why you would be needing to use a product that close - just provoking thought for me. Now I use to use iodiosed oil, 20 odd years ago, apparently now to be absolutely safe - 10 days witholding (and given also reasons as to why officially)and also given information about Arnica that I queried about to - my conclusion good for dogs that are not on the circuit when it comes to using the product. I honestly don't have time to go into electrolytes but on face value they should be ok, as most trainers give post race. Summer is a different story but depending what you are giving them, usually they have to be given only when there is great access to water and also either with a meal. And yeah how on earth could glucose level be measured - one would think only by a blood test. If my post is all over the place I am sorry, I am getting tired and I have alot to organise. But all in all, all I know is there should be no mysteries.
Jeanette Spruyt Australia (Verified User) Posts 246 Dogs 2 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 08:33
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Just need to add: what is pre race
= the day of the race.
Jeanette Spruyt Australia (Verified User) Posts 246 Dogs 2 / Races 0 16 Jun 2018 09:27
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Probably to be exact e.g. rapidgel the morning before the race, not the morning of the race e.g. 24 hrs meaning the morning before the race. When you are conveying important information it is easy to have your own understanding - so to be exact the 24hrs I have expressed will be expressed by another officially - the morning before the race, and obviously this is to be safe and obviously can exceed the std 24 hrs depending on what time they race but that is the terminology! Goodnight!
Carly Absalom Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jun 2018 01:08
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R83A Raceday Treatment (1) No person without the permission of the Stewards may administer or cause to administered any treatment to a greyhound at any time on the day of the meeting until that greyhound is no longer presented for an Event. (2) The Stewards may order that any greyhound that has been administered a treatment in contravention of sub-rule (1) of the Rule be withdrawn from an Event For the purposes of this Rule treatment includes: (a) All Controlled Drugs (Schedule 8) administered by a veterinarian (b) All prescription Animal Remedies and Prescription Only Medicines (Schedule 4) (c) Any injectable substance not already specified in this Rule. (d) All Pharmacist Only (Schedule 3) and Pharmacy Only (Schedule 2) medicines; (e) All veterinary and other medicines containing other scheduled and unscheduled prohibited substances
Reading this I would've thought glucose was ok but seems like I would've been wrong. Makes me paranoid about giving anything.
Michael is right, soon they will read in you can't even give a dog water. Water does have arsenic in it so maybe that will be considered a raceday treatment soon.
Ronald George Hunter Australia (Verified User) Posts 4317 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jun 2018 05:26
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