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Robert Morris
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Boring story. Most of it covered the bicarbonate topups which have been around since the 80s and always been difficult to police & donít hurt the horse. A few cheats exist in every industry!

The thing that did surprise is the attempted lifetime tracking of horses in nsw. Like greyhounds the industry has no obligation or right to know what happens to animals once they leave the industry and imo any attempt to do so will fail.



Branko Lezaja
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Branko Lezaja wrote:

ABC are pathetic & extremely soft on the Thoroughbred Racing industry on tonight's Four Corners , they said most industry members are honest & passionate about the sport / horses but said the opposite about greyhound industry members, no mention of widespread doping / race fixing around Australia in horse racing but stated that in their greyhound industry expose a couple of years ago which is a huge double standard & surprised they worked with the devil himself V'landys , they tarnished every 1 of us yet only went after a few grubs I'm in the horse racing industry.

To clarify my previous post I'm not in the thoroughbred racing industry , I'm is a typo (mistake) in my previous post.


Mark Donohue
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09 Jul 2018 22:06


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The Govt canít apply the same treatment and standard to the TíBred Industry because they would need a Parliamentary Commission and then have to close down the Industry, which is wrong to do so as much as it was wrong to do it to our Industry.

It makes some our politicians look inept, unable to make proper and reasonable decisions based on a few Ďdereksí who tarnished the industry a few years ago. It is fact there is political influence on a few politicians from some down at TíBred Racing HQ and other places.

Thatís what we are faced with as we try and survive because it is ALL about politics. As soon as you work that out the quicker we can function effectively and efficiently.

Get on board and make some noise. Your Political Voice !


Ray Brown
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09 Jul 2018 22:48


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INMHO, that report last night was very soft indeed and left a lot of the real facts uncovered...the short prelude before it on greyhounds was more damning and to my mind...was intentionally shown to emphasise the ABCís real and preferred agenda!


Sandro Bechini
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09 Jul 2018 23:23


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The ABC's credibility leaves a lot to be desired

The way the show was presented was to positively showcase the Thoroughbreds efforts as opposed to asking the real questions about horse wastage

IMHO the show was very heavily vetted prior to going to air and what was presented got the seal of approval




Mick Thompson
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09 Jul 2018 23:27


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Darren Langley wrote:
Rob Horne wrote:
The racing codes need to stick together.
Which may mean the greys may have to be the bigger person here & get not stuck in a victim mentality of they didnít back us so we should t back then.

F@ck the horse industry they didnít help us. The horsey people donít give a f@ck about us they donít want us around as we are taking a share of the gambling pot of gold.

Yeah none of them care hey letís cut their throats hey Darren.

You see the Program last night Johnathon Now do you get the Greyhound participants drift look how soft that was & you know why Political clout, Rich owners Clout and they have the $$$ to sue.

Cut there throats your words well thats what the head of horse industry wanted to do to us & they almost exceeded.

Vote Or Join Shooters Fishers Party Greyhound Branch & have that Political Voice. KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE GREYHOUND RACING Australia



Mick Thompson
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09 Jul 2018 23:33


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

The ABC's credibility leaves a lot to be desired

The way the show was presented was to positively showcase the Thoroughbreds efforts as opposed to asking the real questions about horse wastage

IMHO the show was very heavily vetted prior to going to air and what was presented got the seal of approval

Exactly Sandro did you really think it would be any different. Thats Rich owners Clout & Political Clout. Soft as a Babys Bum


Ross Farmer
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09 Jul 2018 23:44


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Agree with Mark.

The thoroughbred industry is too big, too financially strong, too connected with prominent public figures (most financially strong and/or connected to government), and too high in public prominence even for 4 Corners to seriously take on.

Greyhound racing on the other hand ...

As for 4 Corners, I spoke to a 4 Corners reporter after observing a hearing for someone who had trialled their dog as a normal customer, yet were charged with live baiting (the rabbit provided by the track operator was alleged to be still alive). Offered to explain how the rules framework applied to trialling a dog, particularly as compliance with the rules was not even brought up at the hearing.

Not an ounce of interest. The response was along the lines of - It is irrelevant. I have seen all the footage and they are all guilty.

It is hard to conclude other than these guys are just capitalising of the years of credibility built up by the ABC to sensationally present their own agendas.

Through their misrepresentations they adversely affect public opinion, and probably are a bigger threat to the industry than the antis. And no one is making them accountable.

Shooting, also in their sights, does it far better. SSAA, the biggest industry body, promotes responsibility and compliance. It makes press statements and is available to the media. Unbalanced reporting gets escalated to the Press Council, and has been successful. The problem is that retractions get a low profile, and don't offset the initial (adverse) impact. There is also a lobby group and connections with sympathetic politicians.

Greyhound racing lacks such media management capabilities and effective political input. The regulators, being government authorities that also promote & operate the industry, not only wash their hands of protecting participants, they are more interested in acting against them.

Action has to come from participants.


Terry Jordan
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

The ABC's credibility leaves a lot to be desired

The way the show was presented was to positively showcase the Thoroughbreds efforts as opposed to asking the real questions about horse wastage

IMHO the show was very heavily vetted prior to going to air and what was presented got the seal of approval


Totally agree Sandro! I also thought the "Show" was hijacked by one P. V'Landys spruiking the efforts of NSW Thoroughbred Industry.
Clear for all to see, everything isn't as rosy as V'Landys likes to champion. (Jumped the gun, distributing our Prizemoney they THOUGHT they would get?).
Thompson from Racing Victoria, should he not have said? "We will leave no stone unturned" to catch the perpetrator from within supplying info to Smerdon's camp? and push for IMPRISONMENT! Instead without words "We don't eat our own" was mouthed!!!!
I was Disappointed! softly softly approach compared to the Greyhound Industry. (I should have expected no better)


Nathan Absalom
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Very good post Ross.

One thing that was lacking from the 4 Corners program was full disclosure of conflicts of interest. The current Chair of RacingNSW was the former Managing Director of the ABC between 2002-2006. They were literally doing an "investigative program" on their former boss.

In those circumstances, it is hardly surprising that the RacingNSW were featured in a very sympathetic light, rather than the sensationalist way they present any story on greyhound racing.


Sandro Bechini
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10 Jul 2018 00:21


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nathan absalom wrote:

Very good post Ross.

One thing that was lacking from the 4 Corners program was full disclosure of conflicts of interest. The current Chair of RacingNSW was the former Managing Director of the ABC between 2002-2006. They were literally doing an "investigative program" on their former boss.

In those circumstances, it is hardly surprising that the RacingNSW were featured in a very sympathetic light, rather than the sensationalist way they present any story on greyhound racing.

The Boy's Club and the Establishment always seem to win because they pull the strings




Charles W Mizzi
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Ross Farmer wrote:

Agree with Mark.

The thoroughbred industry is too big, too financially strong, too connected with prominent public figures (most financially strong and/or connected to government), and too high in public prominence even for 4 Corners to seriously take on.

Greyhound racing on the other hand ...

As for 4 Corners, I spoke to a 4 Corners reporter after observing a hearing for someone who had trialled their dog as a normal customer, yet were charged with live baiting (the rabbit provided by the track operator was alleged to be still alive). Offered to explain how the rules framework applied to trialling a dog, particularly as compliance with the rules was not even brought up at the hearing.

Not an ounce of interest. The response was along the lines of - It is irrelevant. I have seen all the footage and they are all guilty.

It is hard to conclude other than these guys are just capitalising of the years of credibility built up by the ABC to sensationally present their own agendas.

Through their misrepresentations they adversely affect public opinion, and probably are a bigger threat to the industry than the antis. And no one is making them accountable.

Shooting, also in their sights, does it far better. SSAA, the biggest industry body, promotes responsibility and compliance. It makes press statements and is available to the media. Unbalanced reporting gets escalated to the Press Council, and has been successful. The problem is that retractions get a low profile, and don't offset the initial (adverse) impact. There is also a lobby group and connections with sympathetic politicians.

Greyhound racing lacks such media management capabilities and effective political input. The regulators, being government authorities that also promote & operate the industry, not only wash their hands of protecting participants, they are more interested in acting against them.

Action has to come from participants.


You could pick the crap out of this program, like the tongue tie piece, even I know it is done because some horses have a tendency to get their tongue over the bit, in turn they swallow their tongue, chock down and collapse! Bad luck for the jockey! But who cares about jockey welfare. Uneducated people giving a short grab view of what they see as a problem.

V'Landy's no comment, Giles Thompson, no comment

Bush trainer participants shafted. Authorities beware, it takes all levels of an industry to be successful, not just a race framed for the elite or to challenge another racing jurisdictions.

Now I would like some answers from RVL. Tell us in more detail the in's and out's of how this happened under your noses and how you have conducted the inquiry and seemed to have ignored feedback from different parts of the industry prior.

Explain how a bicarb paste, oral delivery hours before a race is not returning a positive swab for bicarb(36)threshold and remember bicarb is not a drug, but an alkalising agent purported to help with endurance only in staying horses. What were the distances these Aquanita horses that won running over. My research suggests 1600 and beyond is where you may get some benefit.

We know where the horse end up, plenty of positives in the greyhound world to substances given to race horses!

It is not over, I look forward to the VCAT case as I firmly believe in innocent until proven guilty and I have no confidence in any of the RADB's in any of the codes having experienced them first hand. This is one area that is not a level playing field.




Michael Geraghty
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Did anyone go onto the AA website before the 4corners programme to see them rally the anti-racing troupes and declare a "must watch" as it will shake the industry to the core etc etc?

I did.

Not one mention of the show, not one...strange, hey.


Carly Absalom
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10 Jul 2018 05:32


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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Did anyone go onto the AA website before the 4corners programme to see them rally the anti-racing troupes and declare a "must watch" as it will shake the industry to the core etc etc?

I did.

Not one mention of the show, not one...strange, hey.

But on twitter they retweeted ABC stuff to get people to watch the greyhound story on 730.




Michael Geraghty
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Carly Absalom wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Did anyone go onto the AA website before the 4corners programme to see them rally the anti-racing troupes and declare a "must watch" as it will shake the industry to the core etc etc?

I did.

Not one mention of the show, not one...strange, hey.

But on twitter they retweeted ABC stuff to get people to watch the greyhound story on 730.

Yep, stranger than strange, Carly.



Bruce Teague
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Ross,

Most of that is fair enough. But I suggest you overrate the influence of the big end of town in this context.

First, the ABC program was weak, stale news and unconvincingly presented by Brissenden, who usually does other stuff. There is a group within the ABC, mostly female, as there is in Fairfax, which is anti-anything going if there is a greenish tinge to it. Both groups came out with bells on in the live baiting saga, although using material from Animals Australia. Reporting of the Parliamentary Inquiry was similar. This time, I suspect they had nothing much else to run with so they gave this a go.

With these people, it is normal to use quotes selectively and only when it supports their theme. They get away with that because it is classed as opinion or comment rather than news. The Press Council therefore is not in play.

Your comparison with the Shooters is useful but they are subject only to the laws of the land, not the political whims and concocted rules of a government-appointed regulatory body. Lucky them!

But the antidote is the same as always. The real greyhound story has to be put out to all and sundry and it has to be done routinely, not just when something hits the fan. Long years watching GRCB, GRA and GRNSW shows they have not the slightest will or ability to do this.

It's not just a shortage of PR but a failure in every aspect of the code - the most prominent of which would be badly designed and built tracks. Instead, all we get are weekly tips from Collerson who would be the most unreliable tipster in the business - including when he worked for The Tele or when he sent the Punters Club broke at Wenty. But I digress.

The point is that the system is broken in every which way. There is no suggestion of competence in any aspect of the regulator's operation. Not one.

The horses are far from perfect but at least they are trying. The dogs are not.

Back to the big end of town. Of course, they are dominant and of course the pollies take note, partly due to the personnel and partly due to the amount of cash involved. But they don't poke their fingers into the actual running of the code to anywhere near the same degree as in greyhounds. RNSW and GRNSW are like chalk and cheese.

Having said that, the horses are bound to get hit with the "wastage" problem sooner or later. When AA and others get up a head of steam they will be pinged as well. Even V'Landys effectively admitted that.




Raymond Peter Fewings
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Thought it was most interesting Rspca person said euthenasia may be better option for horses with no guarantee of care.


Ryan Vanderwert
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Raymond I remember when they tried to get rid of jumps racing an rspca official admitted on national tv a few yrs ago now, they wld be euthanaising up to 40,000 horses if they got rid of horse racing, that wasn't the issue. To them they were preventing a sport that was cruel to animals. I was stunned at the time.

It appears animal lovers and animal activists are quite often mutually exclusive terms. Most make the mistake they are one in the same.

The vast majority of greyhound people are more animal lovers than some of these activists.


Trevor Hagney
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Out of the heavyweights interviewed only the RSPCA Chief scientist spoke any common sense.The two CEO's,who between them control nearly $500 mill of prizemoney,produced some awful quotes.The constant answer of "not enough evidence to prosecute" wore a bit thin.V'landys tried to distance himself with some pearlers"I've told this industry they need to clean up their act" and "the public don't know the whips are padded" plus the problem is "the knackerys aren't regulated" and the best one"we don't know where all the horses are"
Now we need Mestrov to get on the front foot and publicly release figures relating to the new greyhound welfare strategies. We already have two years head start on the horses.
Euthanasia rates of unwanted dogs have dropped from McHugh's figure of 5700 per year (68,000 over 12 years) to pro rata 450 in 2017(as stated by Senator Mehreen Farqui,obtained from GRNSW under freedom of information).
I know McHugh's figures are wrong,but if the government wants to persist in using them,we may as well get some mileage out of it.




Grant Thomas
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Lets see how many AA supporters turn up at Randwick for the richest racing in Australia...

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