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Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 16:39
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I can't say if the Bookmakers should pay more to the IGB or not or if we are being shafted. It depends on the amount bet on Irish dogs i presume. Who has those figures?
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 16:45
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Another point. The 300 Euro Bags dog can stay here and earn 3000Euro if it stays sound like many of the Mullingar dogs do.
John G Tynan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 17:31
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martin james wrote:
Another point. The 300 Euro Bags dog can stay here and earn 3000Euro if it stays sound like many of the Mullingar dogs do.
Martin consider this run money Towcester and graded races in Monmore and Crayford is 50 pounds ,why the owners demanded it.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 17:39
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Yes John I accept that but the win money in Towcester is peanuts. If the IGB paid 50 Euro "turn up money" to A6 Bags dogs at Mullingar for example you would be better off with an A6 dog than an A1/A2. This whole Bags gig is not a straightforward situation.
I can't say if the Bookmakers should pay more to the IGB or not or if we are being shafted. It depends on the amount bet on Irish dogs i presume. Who has those figures?
The bookmakers dont care if its Irish BAGs or English BAGs as long as they can control / eliminate gambles on these races as the average betting shop punter is not brand loyal.
Do you really believe that these punters would only back on English BAGs racing or only on Irish BAGs racing? its the same product for the bookmakers.
Quite simply the IGB were out negotiated by SIS in 2015 and accepted 465,000 for 1,500 races when they should have got in excess of 1.4 million using the argument that the Irish dogs are worth at least as much as the UK dogs.
Kieran Boles wrote:
SIS is getting 3 Irish BAGs races for the price of 1 UK BAGs race so Irish racing is being devalued.
Limerick is not racing on Fridays any more in preparation for the first SIS meeting to be staged in mid-August.
Does anyone know what the IGB got per race from SIS for Limerick BAGs? Was any GOBA involved / consulted?
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 18:29
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I accept that point fully Kieran it's absolutely true. If enough Irish tracks took on BAGS and Joe Public (outside Ireland) were happy to bet on it they could possibly sell of their UK tracks for development or whatever
John G Tynan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 18:31
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martin james wrote:
Yes John I accept that but the win money in Towcester is peanuts. If the IGB paid 50 Euro "turn up money" to A6 Bags dogs at Mullingar for example you would be better off with an A6 dog than an A1/A2. This whole Bags gig is not a straightforward situation.
Martin the races I am referring to pay 175 pounds win 70 second 50 to everyone else,Ireland should not give the SIS deal away to the bookmakers.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 18:38
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TOWCESTER A6 1st 95 others 45.
Youghal Bags. 1st 285Euro 80 40 20 20 20.
Restructure Youghal UK style.
1st 121Euro others 57 Euro.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 18:40
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When are they on John. Obviously I didn't know that.
Those figures sound better
John G Tynan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 8 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Jul 2018 20:40
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Martin every day in monmore and crayford check yesterdays returns you can also have a nice bet on any of these races but your happy with 10 euro pay an entry fee and wait for your own money back that's ok your happy but could we not do better.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 19 Jul 2018 14:08
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 19 Jul 2018 14:34
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John G Tynan wrote:
Martin every day in monmore and crayford check yesterdays returns you can also have a nice bet on any of these races but your happy with 10 euro pay an entry fee and wait for your own money back that's ok your happy but could we not do better.
Youghal pay slightly better when you allow for the euro difference I think. Plus you must place your dog with a trainer at Crayford so 50/70* a week training fees. Your concern about selling ourselves short is ompletely valid but we are Not privy to the betting turnover on the Irish product as its called.
Can someone please explain the following, Tralee prices Bags versus Evening Meeting. First race. 3 to 1. 6 to 4 3 to 1. 2 to 1 3 to 1. 2 to 1 5 to 1. 6 to 4 9 to 2. 1 to 1 4 to 1
Second race. 4 to 1. 6 to 4 4 to 1. 1 to 1 9 to 4. 6 to 4 9 to 2. 2 to 1. 4 to 1. 5 to 2 4 to 1. 2 to 1
Third race
3 to 1. 6 to 4 4 to 1. 1 to 1 3 to 1. 1 to 1 3 to 1. 2 to 1 4 to 1. 3 to 1 4 to 1. 4 to 1
Exactly same trend for all races. If you look at the evening prices punters are getting the worst value evrr
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 22 Jul 2018 05:54
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Pascal No one would place a bet in the Shops based on the evening Sps. So Bookmakers require attractive prices to get punters interest and it works for them. So no novice races or races with dogs off the track for 4 to 5 weeks which might find substantial time. This creates an opportunity for some of the less classy dogs. Mullingar have dogs with 100 odd starts. I doubt the owners of these dogs would be anti SIS. .
Martin That makes sense. But surely there is no attraction to have a bet when your dog is running at a normal meeting. The prices are absolutely scandalous.
anyone breeding to go bags racing would need to be certified, but it will suit most trainers to bring regular income while they dream of glory and riches with their better dogs,its better than nothing for income but desperate stuff to watch
As far as I am concerned Bags meetings should stay out of Ireland. If you want to be told how and when you run your dogs and not be in charge of how you do things, then bags is for you. Dogs in the UK getting run 3 times a week, the majority of them carrying injuries. Belle Vue on the verge of closure as planning permission for 298 houses granted, and this will be the case with many more UK tracks as housing in the UK in great demand because of the immigration situation. Why do we have to go down the same road as the UK when our racing here is far superior.
Can someone please explain the following, Tralee prices Bags versus Evening Meeting First race. 3 to 1. 6 to 4 3 to 1. 2 to 1 3 to 1. 2 to 1 5 to 1. 6 to 4 9 to 2. 1 to 1 4 to 1.
If you look at the evening prices punters are getting the worst value ever
The IGB control the BAGs meetings differently to their normal race meetings and that translates to the prices you have quoted above
This difference is a reflection of the IGBs failure to convince stakeholders of greyhound racings integrity and regulation.
Is it any wonder that the publics perception of greyhound racing is one of a crooked sport when the IGB continue to allow the Clonbrien Hero debacle to rumble on thereby creating continuous negative publicity for the sport.
I have been told that the IGBs legal person who would have been responsible for prosecuting positive drug samples has been on paid leave over a workplace legal dispute. This situation flies in the face of pillar 4 of the IGBs recently published strategy report whose aim is to ensure the highest standards of integrity and regulation in the sport.
Therefore we have another key IGB executive on paid leave for a substantial period similar to when the IGBs CFO was suspended for insubordination. So it would appear that the greyhound industry is unable to remember the mistakes of the past and are therefore condemned to repeat them.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 22 Jul 2018 11:38
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Carole Not sure if planning for Belle Vue is granted I think the owners a _ pension fund_are testing the possibity of getting planning. What a bargain it was 2.5. Million Stg and with a 6 Million catchment area. Limerick 20 Million Euro 100K catchment area. I assume the owners would sell to the highest bidders not just for housing. Regarding short Sps that will be the case for novice dogs due to their time find potential. At Mullingar today an A5 dog has 66 starts 15 wins 15 seconds and 18 thirds with almost 6000 Euro winnings. I think it would be difficult to convince owners of dogs like this that they shouldn't race Bookmaker meetings. I would agree that aside from Bookmaker meetings there are some incredible time finding examples but the expression "fair play to them" is often used if anyone is critical of major time finding.
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