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Joseph Dotters
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16 Jul 2018 19:12


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Anybody who has read my earlier posts will have seen my claim to be in possession of the best understanding of thoroughbred and racing greyhounds pedigrees as yet uncovered.
I have claimed that both species have evolved the same cyclical type of evolution remember cyclical means happening in cycles and I call this situation Similar Evolution to me this similar evolution first becomes apparent in thoroughbred evolution during the mid 18th century.
This similar evolution first becomes apparent to me in racing greyhound evolution during the mid 19th century but let me write that what I find so easy to understand makes other people struggle so therefore any interest evaporates.
My brother thinks this could be possibly the reason why the interests is so low in my findings so I wonder if I could explain to the best of my ability what I discovered during the 1970s to see if you can understand it, now every year in the Irish Greyhound Review magazine we have the leading sire of the year title or the stud dog of the year Tables as they call them.
I compile my own Leading Sires title based on the amount of individual winners of feature events over a certain value that a sire produces not the total number that he produces usually one greyhound like for instance Kinloch Brae these last few years finishes first another greyhound finishes second and so on.
Now if you turn the clock back to the 1970s obviously we had the same situation then and I think the Irish Greyhound Review published a Table for the year 1981, remember I did not have access to a computer then and the marvellous thoroughbred and racing greyhound pedigree websites hosted on them, actually information was a bit thin on the ground.
Never less I found myself drawn to two racing greyhound sires called Hi There (born August 1952) and Champion Prince (born July 1949).
Well I was initially drawn to the greyhounds Hi There and Champion Prince because Hi There was the parental grandsire of three of the leading sires in the British Isle of the 1970s, and Champion Prince was the maternal great grandsire of those same three sires.
Also Hi Theres son Crazy Parachute (born April 1957) was the sire of two of those three greyhounds and they were called Monalee Champion (born September 1964) and Spectre (born February 1965), now Monalee Champions mother a bitch called Sheila at Last was by Champion Princes son The Grand Prince (October 1958) while Spectres mother a bitch called Supreme Witch was by another son of Champion Prince called Solar Prince (born March 1955).
The other leading sire of the time whose parental grandsire was Hi There and whose maternal great grandsire was Champion Prince was a greyhound called The Grand Silver he was by Hi Theres son Prairie Flash while his mother a bitch called April Twilight was by Solar Prince.
Now Hi There was a great sire and a great sire of sires and his name seemed to be cropping up on the parental sire lines of big race winners more times than the name of any other sire also as his own sire a greyhound called Slaney Record was not nearly as good a sire as himself give me the impression that the success of the sire line ballooned once Hi There arrived on the scene the sire line seemed to explode at Hi There once his produce had run and had then went to stud.
So because of all of this I made Hi There my first Specific Starting Point or animal that I considered as forming the start or the beginning of a new sire line now.
Now Champion Prince the maternal great grandsire of Monalee Champion, Spectre and The Grand Silver was also a great sire and a great sire of sires and his name seemed to be cropping up on the parental sire lines of a lot of big race winners and although his own sire a greyhound called Bellas Prince was more comparable to Champion Prince in the sire stakes than Slaney Record was to Hi There, I still felt that I had to make Champion Prince my second Specific Starting Point in racing greyhound breeding.
Now my idea of a Specific Starting Point is an animal that is thought of as forming the start or the beginning of a sire line for instance Slaney Record the sire of Hi There is as far as I am concerned a member of entirely different sire lines from the sire lines that Hi There originated.
On the other hand sons of Hi There like Monalee Champions sire Crazy Parachute were considered by me to be members of the Hi There sire line and once I could think of animals as specific starting points I could then compile what I have called Sire Line Tables from those yearly Leading Sires Tables.
That will do me for this post would any of this make any sense so far remember if someone can put their hands on of all of the Irish Greyhound Reviews or most of the Irish Greyhound Reviews stretching back to 1981 and look at their stud dog of the year Tables for each year.
I do not think they will come across another situation were three of the leading stud dogs of the year or they can take several years into their calculations will have the same paternal grandsire and those very same three greyhounds will have the same maternal great grandsire.
Also remember there might be benefits for racehorse people if they take this on board.



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