On the contrary, it is quite clear. Effectively, it says you cannot breed with the winner, regardless of who assesses what. Ridiculous!

What is the purpose of GBOTA if it is not to combat this nonsense? Will the Wheelers allow any of their dogs to run in the final? What motive could there be for removing one of the country's best dogs from circulation? Or can you breed from the couch?

Can you imagine applying such a condition to the thoroughbreds, where even a Listed race adds to the later value of the horse and its progeny?

This is what happens when you let bureaucrats and politicians run a commercial industry. Bring back "Judge" Swindell. He could not do any worse.

I sent an email to GRNSW asking if a greyhound can be used for breeding purposes after retirement under the Terms and Conditions of the million dollar race.

I will let you know if I get a reply.

Good Carlay, but the solution is not an email but a change to the formal conditions.

It may be that the intention was they greyhounds could be used for breeding after retirement so will just need changed wording in the conditions. If no one lets them know the ambiguity in the wording they can't fix it so in that case an email could be enough for them to look at the conditions and correct it.

GWIC looks after breeding, lol. However, I appreciate that GRNSW put this together in consultation with GWIC.

Lucky for Bruceys business people on the Board. Wed be completely confused by this sub-standard effort. However, the $$$ has everyone focussed and well overlook the finer details, pmsl.

On the breeding issue they said a greyhound can be used for breeding. Not sure if they are going to change the wording to make that clear.

On Clause 24 there is no time limit. Recovery of any amount after a rule breach is entirely at the discretion of GRNSW. (They did say they would consider all circumstances when deciding on the amount they would recover.)

I also asked how and when the entry fees were to be paid. They replied that when a trainer/handler receives their $60 travel subsidy for the night they will then be asked to pay their entry fee. They did say that final confirmation and more information on this will be available online prior to entry for the first event being opened so I guess we will get some official information on this part soon.

Re "Ok I got a reply.
On the breeding issue they said a greyhound can be used for breeding. Not sure if they are going to change the wording to make that clear".

1. Who are "they".

2. Do "they" work for the people who have just revised and re-published the conditions.

3. Whatever you hope for or "they" say, clause 18 today says....

"all greyhounds ... must be kept by the owner as a companion animal or rehomed ... with GAP", etc. No ifs, no buts, no breeding. It cannot be read any other way.

4. In other words, the express purpose of the event is to take 100-plus of the country's best greyhounds out of (breeding) circulation when they stop racing. And if you dare to vary from these conditions you will be thumped legally and financially. (Please think long and hard about this).

I was going to say that action like this would have pleased people like Chairman Mao, Stalin and Hitler but some may accuse me of exaggerating (I am not). Instead, I might call on examples from Cuba and France - Vive la revolution! They even made a very successful musical about that - performed in Sydney and Melbourne.
And what a pity we have just missed the opportunity of tying in with a Bastille Day celebration (July 14)!

Anyway, if you sign up to these conditions, you have only yourself to blame.

What a con job!

PS: I would have quoted the conditions verbatim here but, unfortunately, GRNSW in its wisdom made the file Read Only, so I can't do that. (NSW authorities have long preferred to keep everything as secret as possible - like changes to WPK, etc).
However, it is readily available on the GRNSW News page.

PS2: Pardon my foreign references but I am one eighth French as an ancestor was a general in Napoleon's army. He did clean up Germany and others but, alas, not Russia or China. Nor Britain either. He bit off more than he could chew.

Sacre bleu.
EXTERNAL LINK

MG,
One of my favourite actors.

Clause 20:

"20. All participants in the Event and/or any Associated Event acknowledge and agree that any prizemoney must be
immediately repaid to GRNSW if that greyhound is not either kept by the owner as a companion animal,
registered for breeding purposes pursuant to the GWIC Greyhound Racing Rules or rehomed upon retirement
as required by clause 18 above. The amount of any repayment, and from whom it may be recovered (being
any person who was awarded the prizemoney), shall be determined by GRNSW in its discretion. The amount
of any repayment under this clause may be recovered by GRNSW as a debt in a court of competent
jurisdiction."

Clause 20 is even at odds with itself. First it states that any (ie, all) prizemoney must be repaid and then it goes on to state that "The amount of any repayment, and from whom it may be recovered (being any person who was awarded the prizemoney), shall be determined by GRNSW in its discretion"

What a shambles.

My issue was never that they clearly stated you couldn't breed. It was just ambiguous. Clause 18 on its own is still not worded well but in combination with Clause 20 it is now clear that they can be used for breeding.

Still a lot of problems with the Terms and Conditions but at least now there is one less problem.

Bruce, it was the GRNSW General Counsel who replied.

Mine too.
Absolute genius.

So there you go...all is clear on the breeding issue.
Thank God Stalin, Mao, and Hitler can jump back into the history books.

Dead set.

"Thanks for that link Mark. They have changed clause 20. They have added in 'registered for breeding purposes' so now it is clear that they can be used for breeding".

Hopefully, yes. But it still clashes directly with Clause 18, which says the opposite. You would not feed these guys.

thay should be in government because you can't believe a word they say.

So an extra 100 people come through the gate...wow...face painting, animal farm, balloons, again, I suspect...

The reply I got from GRNSW was that more information will be made available shortly so could I please be patient while that material is prepared.

Patient? Nominations for the first heat close on Thursday.