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GRSA and GA screw up

Charles W Mizzi
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18 Sep 2018 04:54


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And what is their penalty? Heaps of dollars wasted on legal council.

A person who did the right thing being put through the mill. Look at the inquires below and note GRSA did not have the guts to nominate the other controlling body, it can only be GA.

EXTERNAL LINK

EXTERNAL LINK
And this,

GAR 86(ag) A person (including an official) shall be guilty of an offence if the person- fails to comply with a policy adopted by a Controlling Body.

"INCLUDING AN OFFICIAL" ???????



Hayden Gilders
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18 Sep 2018 11:30


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im missing something here can you clarify what the issie is please


Tom Welsh
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18 Sep 2018 19:46


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You put the same link in twice, was there something else that explains what happened?

The inquiry link just says she split a straw which is against the regulations.

Is there something more to it?


Bruce Teague
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18 Sep 2018 21:43


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Charles,

It's all in the "definitions".

GRSA has adopted GA rules plus Local Rules - LR taking precedence. That's why it publishes them in the one breath under ...

"Rules of Greyhound Racing SA Limited - Effective 1st April 2018", which includes GA, Local and Coursing Rules.

GA has no authority itself; GRSA does and is a "Controlling Body".

Not a problem.

NB: The extensive local rules seem a bit of a pain but they are usually there because various state laws may require different wording etc.

NB2: Mar and marring are words used in these rules. This is incorrect English but are legal because they are defined in detail.



Malcolm Smart
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18 Sep 2018 22:48


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so it's ok for the seller to split, but not the buyer..


Michael Barry
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18 Sep 2018 23:07


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It's not ok for the seller to split a breeding unlit
Once it's been registered as a single. Reeding unit


Charles W Mizzi
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19 Sep 2018 00:23


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charles w mizzi wrote:

And what is their penalty? Heaps of dollars wasted on legal council.

A person who did the right thing being put through the mill. Look at the inquires below and note GRSA did not have the guts to nominate the other controlling body, it can only be GA.

EXTERNAL LINK

EXTERNAL LINK
And this,

GAR 86(ag) A person (including an official) shall be guilty of an offence if the person- fails to comply with a policy adopted by a Controlling Body.

"INCLUDING AN OFFICIAL" ???????

So it will not load so here is the doc.

28 August 2018

OUTCOME OF STEWARDS REHEARING

STEWARDS: L.G. Michalanney, D. Jonas, J. Evans

Greyhound Racing South Australia (GRSA) Stewards had previously concluded an inquiry with Trainer and Breeder Mrs. Kathleen Johnstone into a frozen semen breeding unit from the greyhound BRETT LEE which was inseminated into the breeding females EXCUSEZ MOI and BANJO BLAZE. This resulted in two litters of greyhound pups from the one breeding unit.

Following the inquiry, new evidence came to light including an explanation from an employee at another Controlling Body who admitted to giving Mrs. Johnstone permission to use the breeding unit on two separate breeding females. That employee acknowledged the information provided to Mrs. Johnstone was incorrect.

On that basis, Stewards reconvened a hearing on Monday 20 August, 2018, in which they noted this new information. Acting under LR 95, Stewards reversed their decision and lifted the convictions and penalties in relation to the two offences Mrs. Johnstone was found guilty of. Mrs. Johnstone was advised of the outcome.

Mrs. Johnstone also signed an irrevocable undertaking to GRSA with regard to the use of the remaining breeding units of BRETT LEE semen to which she owns that she acknowledges that each remaining ejaculate is one breeding unit and can only be used in one insemination and cannot be used in separate inseminations whether on the same breeding female or others.

Stewards make it clear that this outcome is unique to its facts and does not establish any precedent for any:

other participant; licensed person; and/or other participant found guilty of offending any Rules;

in connection with the use of breeding units and the Rules of Greyhound Racing whatsoever.

L.G. MICHALANNEY INTEGRITY MANAGER




Hayden Gilders
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19 Sep 2018 03:22


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Does GRSA have a RADB and then a right to appeal to eg SA Cat as a $10k fine is hefty when imposed by both the prosecutor (steward) and judge (steward)?


Kim Johnstone
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19 Sep 2018 05:03


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Appeal their own decision?.. we dont have independant inquiries here the stewards/integrity department are the pricecutors and judges, they changed their own decision It was not an independant appeal


Hayden Gilders
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19 Sep 2018 05:25


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When G.A introduced the "race day treatment" rules they were proud of the fact that (rules) "brought this industry more into line with the other two codes" Could be thought that this industry has more than a fair way to go to achieve that


Bruce Teague
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19 Sep 2018 23:48


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Kim,

There are always appeal processes available - as the initial (March) decision indicated - outside normal racing channels.

However, the revised decision was a result of new evidence being introduced, which is not quite the same thing.


Robyn Mackellar
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20 Sep 2018 03:16


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Believe me there was NOT new evidence. SA participants cant really comment as we will get a phone call hahahaha. However good on KATHY J ...:))


Hayden Gilders
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20 Sep 2018 03:57


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some consideration of natural justice earlier in the process woukd not be unreasonable


Edward (Ted) Howard
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20 Sep 2018 08:23


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One positive out of this is the person who gave permission stood up and told the truth some wouldn't. Cheers Ted


Kim Johnstone
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20 Sep 2018 08:25


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Bruce, Im pretty sure I know what went on lol but yes there are appeal processes but in this case it did not get to appeal. And Robyn is 100% correct,


Charles W Mizzi
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21 Sep 2018 22:25


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edward (ted) howard wrote:

One positive out of this is the person who gave permission stood up and told the truth some wouldn't. Cheers Ted

Yes Ted, a person with INTEGRITY. The reason I started this thread is to keep highlighting how INTEGRITY is being used to bully and intimidate participants by the Admins around the country.

I wonder how many at GRV could pass a lie detector test on various issues, they know who they are because they still hold positions within this Govt organisation. To show the culture of the Stewards/Integrity section a person was terminated for being to friendly with participants.

And Ted, it seems after the first inquiry that person was not heard or believed. Someone else also mentioned natural justice, this does not apply when dealing with racing codes which is why they land at VCAT or the Supreme court where justice is applied for the ones with the courage and $ to see it through.

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