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Carly Absalom
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Another thing I noticed in the Annual Report is that the Board member who replaced Michael Eberand is Annette Mullen.

So a participant on the Board was replaced by an independent.

It says she was appointed in July 2018.

I don't remember any press releases letting participants know of this change.




Mark Staines
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04 Nov 2018 10:31


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Its called "Stacking the Deck" !!!!


Bruce Teague
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05 Nov 2018 04:11


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Carly Absalom wrote:

Another thing I noticed in the Annual Report is that the Board member who replaced Michael Eberand is Annette Mullen.

So a participant on the Board was replaced by an independent.

It says she was appointed in July 2018.

I don't remember any press releases letting participants know of this change.

Carly,

There was an announcement so you must have missed it - she is an accountant.

You imply that members should be participants rather than independent. I disagree strongly. My reason is classically illustrated by the loss of Eberrand (who is otherwise well qualified). Any participant is automatically subject to conflict of interest - meaning they would regularly have to remove themselves from discussions.

My impression is that most trainers are already occupied 24/7 anyway. Board responsibilities are much more than a fortnightly or monthly meeting.

Also, we have been there and done that over decades, and it did not produce anything of value. Quite the reverse. Why did England Wheeler and Ahrens quit?





Rod Hampton
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05 Nov 2018 04:47


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2 others , with the same sort of legal qualificationa
Yvonne Howie & Hugh Armenis


Trevor Hagney
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05 Nov 2018 05:40


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GRNSW's main functions are the commercial administration of greyhound racing,registration and licencing of clubs,implementation of track upgrades and the GAP program.
The board should reflect these areas.
There is ample expertise on the board representing commercial and financial administration.
Major civil and building upgrades,and vetinary services attached to animal husbandry would benefit from board representation.


Carly Absalom
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05 Nov 2018 08:03


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Bruce,

I did a quick search of thedogs website and GRNSW and couldn't see a media release informing us of her appointment.

Do you remember where you saw the announcement?



Glenn Hatton
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05 Nov 2018 10:03


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Carly Absalom wrote:

Bruce,

I did a quick search of thedogs website and GRNSW and couldn't see a media release informing us of her appointment.

Do you remember where you saw the announcement?

I donít recall any announcement at all, in particular nothing via the dogs website.

Bruce , which Mr England are you referring to ???
And when do you recall seeing the announcement of Eberandís replacement??


Mark Donohue
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05 Nov 2018 21:32


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I donít recall seeing it either.


Bruce Teague
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05 Nov 2018 21:47


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Glenn Hatton wrote:

Carly Absalom wrote:

Bruce,

I did a quick search of thedogs website and GRNSW and couldn't see a media release informing us of her appointment.

Do you remember where you saw the announcement?

I donít recall any announcement at all, in particular nothing via the dogs website.

Bruce , which Mr England are you referring to ???
And when do you recall seeing the announcement of Eberandís replacement??

Sorry folks - I cant remember the detail. It could well have been tucked in to a release with another headline.

As for those three guys quitting - it was a few years back during the reign of Richard Face who also went off his head about the lack of confidentiality re board discussions. The three quit at the same time. Despite that, Mike Ahrens did make substantial statements in an interview printed in the Recorder. He was not happy and also soon retired as NCA President. England was on the board in his capacity as an owner.



Rod Hampton
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05 Nov 2018 23:43


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No mention of any promotional prowess,
I guess they'll have to outsource some


Mark Staines
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06 Nov 2018 01:59


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Glenn Hatton wrote:

Carly Absalom wrote:

Bruce,

I did a quick search of thedogs website and GRNSW and couldn't see a media release informing us of her appointment.

Do you remember where you saw the announcement?

I donít recall any announcement at all, in particular nothing via the dogs website.

Bruce , which Mr England are you referring to ???
And when do you recall seeing the announcement of Eberandís replacement??

Sorry folks - I cant remember the detail. It could well have been tucked in to a release with another headline.

As for those three guys quitting - it was a few years back during the reign of Richard Face who also went off his head about the lack of confidentiality re board discussions. The three quit at the same time. Despite that, Mike Ahrens did make substantial statements in an interview printed in the Recorder. He was not happy and also soon retired as NCA President. England was on the board in his capacity as an owner.

Mmmm Richard Face promised the World and delivered nothing !!!!!



Glenn Hatton
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06 Nov 2018 02:22


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Glenn Hatton wrote:

Carly Absalom wrote:

Bruce,

I did a quick search of thedogs website and GRNSW and couldn't see a media release informing us of her appointment.

Do you remember where you saw the announcement?

I donít recall any announcement at all, in particular nothing via the dogs website.

Bruce , which Mr England are you referring to ???
And when do you recall seeing the announcement of Eberandís replacement??

Sorry folks - I cant remember the detail. It could well have been tucked in to a release with another headline.

As for those three guys quitting - it was a few years back during the reign of Richard Face who also went off his head about the lack of confidentiality re board discussions. The three quit at the same time. Despite that, Mike Ahrens did make substantial statements in an interview printed in the Recorder. He was not happy and also soon retired as NCA President. England was on the board in his capacity as an owner.

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Carly Absalom
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06 Nov 2018 03:09


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Great find Glenn.

I would be happy if they at least appointed someone who recognised the overspending of GRNSW.

I assume the Board had to agree to the new offices at Oxford Street.

I also assume they had to agree to many of the financial, legal and corporate costs.

The Annual Report stated that financial, legal and corporate costs increased by $1,641,161 in 2017/18.



Glenn Hatton
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06 Nov 2018 03:36


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I think the lady appointed is very well credentialed BUT I believe the position was meant for an industry representative.

Maybe they should of advertised for the position....I still believe Mr Eberand was hard done by also


Carly Absalom
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06 Nov 2018 03:53


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Legislation says if 5 directors no more than 2 can be industry representatives, so I read that as they don't have to have any but can have up to 2.

I agree they should and my understanding is that there was an opportunity for them to appoint an industry representative to replace Michael but an independent got appointed instead.





Glenn Hatton
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06 Nov 2018 05:07


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Either way, I wonít hold my breath waiting for Bruce to admit he was wrong.

Anyhow, the link clears up the process.


Bruce Teague
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06 Nov 2018 21:54


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Carly,

Glenn's quote from the Budget Estimates (in September) would indicate that I saw a mention of the new director sometime in Aug/Sep.

Otherwise, it's not a question of being wrong - I have an opinion that participants are not the best people to sit on boards. For GWIC commissioners, for example, they are specifically banned. Similarly for the previous GRNSW board - which was the first to be described as "independent" (although, in practice, all had some sort of previous tie-up in the racing industry).

Apart from all the obvious conflicts of interest, a long history has shown that boards of insiders have not done well in progressing the industry - or even of combatting live baiting (see Percy Allan evidence at the McHugh Commission). It would also be sitting in the background when McHugh/Baird/Grant decided that the industry was unlikely to be able to "repair itself". It was why I quoted the examples of Wheeler/England/Ahrens quitting the board. Also, it is consistent with my personal experience before the board when much of the time was spent listening to GBOTA and NCA throwing rocks at each other.

And, for the most part, no other state does it.

I have no idea why the new Act allows participants to sit on the board. Advice about practicalities is always available via consultative groups or can be sought by the board in a professional manner.



Glenn Hatton
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06 Nov 2018 22:13


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Bruce

You did disagree with Carly & say that a statement was release did you not??
I donít think you were talking about the link I put up. Either way, itís been left open ended. I think itís fair to say that participants should of been informed when the decision was made, donít you think? The question had to be asked in the budget estimates so whoever asked realises there had been no formal statement given. Do you know otherwise? Are you better informed than most?? Interesting considering you claim you are from Victoria & seem to be more of an expert on nsw industry than someone like Carly who has an obviously close connection to nsw industry.

And as far as having industry members on a board....itís happening in every industry from what I can see & it makes perfect Sense


Bruce Teague
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07 Nov 2018 00:55


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Glenn,

What I actually said was "Sorry folks - I cant remember the detail. It could well have been tucked in to a release with another headline". Subsequently, your link clarified that the news was out in September - and perhaps knowledge of it beforehand.

Victoria is a nice place to visit but not to live in - so I don't, but I have walked over every track in Victoria, bar Shepparton and the new Traralgon. Please be more accurate. Anyway, the state is irrelevant as this is a national industry but one run by a collections of fiefdoms - much like Afghanistan. You have to keep track of them all if you can. (NB recent revelations by Vic GOTBA are interesting).

"Industry members"? I have given specific reasons for my opposition to the practice, you have just made an assertion without any reasons. It's a proven dud. Ask Mr Eberrand.

Other industries (than racing) are not comparable because they have vastly different structures and governance requirements. Notably, they do not have "committees of management". Even so, the ASX does insist on a majority of independent directors.

There are many things in greyhound racing about which I am not "expert". So I don't speak about those. Others, I do.





Glenn Hatton
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Other industries (than racing) are not comparable because they have vastly different structures and governance requirements. Notably, they do not have "committees of management". Even so, the ASX does insist on a majority of independent directors.

There are many things in greyhound racing about which I am not "expert". So I don't speak about those. Others, I do.

Funny , you say racing does not go well with industry participants on the board. Last time I checked we are all envious of the prizemoney & overall position of nsw thoroughbreds...& guess what? The chairman was an industry participant

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Your assertion that industry participants should not be part of GRNSW board flies in the face of the very backbone of the industry in nsw & that is industry participation from the grass roots up, much of which is voluntary or well underpaid. Go and look at the president of every race club in nsw ...they ar all industry participants. For you to say we can do the hard yards but not have a say at a higher level doesnít sit well with me or most participants.

PS: The link I provided clearly stated thereís been no press release. The question asked in the budgets paper is the same as asked by Carly here...just on another platform. The answer that came back says no release as yet...straight from the horses mouth, o how do you still claim you saw Ďsomewhere a press release??í Canít be from this paper or you have clearly misinterpreted the answer given!

Funny ...you comment on what you Ďknowí....does this include how to train stayers??

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