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Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 29 Nov 2018 04:46
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Hi Garry, I was referring more to Geoffs situation and the SFFs Seats. If they impacted on outcomes, maybe next time theyll think twice before doing them again. However, I appreciate what you have written what impact they have. I read an article that the preference deals were used to oust the Greens.
See his quote below,
Party preferences are lodged with the VEC about 12 days prior to the election.
Our preferences are nowhere near as important to us as the preferences we get from other parties. Preferences are only distributed as the party is eliminated so they dont directly impact on our vote
To get a seat (quota) in each region you have to poll around 17% of the vote. If you dont get that in the primaries, you then go to preferences. There is usually only one of the five seats in each region that is decided by preferences, sometimes two.
Once the primary votes are counted they start eliminating parties from the bottom and distributing their preferences
For example, we should get around 20,000 primary votes in Western Vic. A quota will be about 80,000 so were 60,000 short. Thats where we need the preferences from the other parties that are part of the deals done and lodged 12 days earlier
If Hinch stays below us and consequently goes out before us, he wont get our preferences so it wont matter
Garry Comans Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 13 / Races 79 29 Nov 2018 08:42
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Geoff was nearly right with his prediction, it only fell over at the last hurdle It was an interesting scenario and probably reflects the fascination of political manoeuvring. He went out at Count 18, and his preferences went the DH party, thus eliminating the Greens at Count 19. There wasnt much choice for the SSF at this point with only DHJP, the Greens and the Libs to choose from. The Greens predictably preferences the AJP thus securing a seat for the AJP at Count 20. Two parties remained at this stage for the one remaining seat. In a preference swap, the AJP flowed votes to DHJP, thus giving DH the fifth and final seat. If the SSF position was not to assist the Greens they were successful. Whod be an electoral strategist
Grant Thomas Australia (Verified User) Posts 11447 Dogs 64 / Races 20 29 Nov 2018 13:34
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Kevin Wright wrote:
Geoff Collins wrote:
Maybe I should have just sat at home and done nothing hey Pete .. waiting until someone else had tried and then found fault when their attempt didnt work
Before the industry slams the SFFP any more where were the greyhound people on election day .. or at the pre-polls in the two weeks leading up
We had 30 polling booths open in Ballarat on election day and only 3 people handing out cards .. and only two people handing out at the pre-polls for the fortnight leading up
I sent out hundreds of emails asking for help but did not get one reply that includes you Peter
Compare this to the Greens and AJP they had people everywhere rotating on and off for the entire time 24/7
If you think this battle is going to be won by someone else then think again because if we dont ALL get off our arzes and help out .. then theyll wipe the floor with us
Also stop eating your own know who your true enemy is we will all have our disputes with fellow participants from time to time because we are continually dealing with each other but we are rivals not enemies if we continue to fight amongst ourselves we may as well vote Green or AJP
I hope you give it a crack again in 4 years time Geoff. I think we should be able to gather the needed support next time and at least now we understand what we are up against .. We have time on our sides ..
We have the numbers to make a huge difference .
I just wish we had more time as i believe we could of really made the difference .
The bonus is that the GREENS are dying a slow political death ..meaning that AA and the RSPCA are really hurting and we have them down for the count ...Huge win for us all ...
I think social media played a huge role in the GREENS demise so lets all make sure we continue to flood all Social Media sites OVER THE NEXT 4 YEARS ..
I also think the GOTBA can now start to look at other possibilities and to further grow it;s Member base from within ..and maybe grow its own political party aligned with the Shooters .
Sorry, but plenty of other issues on peoples minds when an election is called, no matter what sport one is associated to...
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 11 Dec 2018 03:30
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The Upper House votes were finalised today and it looks like we got one in ... that's Jeff Bourman in Eastern Victoria .. and due in no small part to voters choosing to vote below the line (see below) ... the biggest thing is that statewide, we more than doubled our primary vote and as someone else commented that will help us bigtime with preference deals in 2022
Another 3 of us went really close and were amongst the last to fall in the preference deals ... and all looking forward to next time
In the ABC website calculator, Vern Hughes of the Aussie Battler Party won the final seat based on treating all votes as if they were ticket votes. In the actual count, Hughes fell behind due to leakage of preferences from below the line votes, resulting in Jeff Bourmann from the SFFP winning the final seat
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