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Warren Owen
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16 Dec 2018 11:36


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Mark Latham wrote:

As someone who has been in the greyhound industry for 3 years. I decided to put my hand up as a Team leader in the draft.

Unfortunately I didn't make the cut. The 2 they chose are definitely better leaders than I.

The Draft is a great idea to get involved, as I have been in this game for 3 years.
When we first started, we almost brought 15% of a greyhound that ' royally bred, trialling beautifully, city class ' all the lies and crap.
We didn't buy in, that 15% was going to cost us $2500.
We did our own research to find the break in times were about 1 second slower than what would make the track despite the ads telling us it would be a gun

The greyhound 12 months later, never had a start, 6 months later. It finally said retired.. At the time we wanted to buy more cause it seemed cheap.
That was the last 15%... so this syndicate pretty much sold 85% of the dog that never made the track, after break in never would make the track.
That is 85% if they were FIRST TIMERS, that I can bet my left nut will never buy another greyhound. As they had been burnt

Since then I am much more educated and buy dogs wthout the help of syndicators.

The third dog we brought was a syndicated dog, they took out money. Gave us an update every few months in the way of a vet bill nothing else. Once again, many were first time owners. Felt in the dark, im really surprised I didn't walk away than

We have brought broken dogs from here for $4000, $1500, $10000 (not going to name but not cool, always get vet checks pre purchase).

So if the DRAFT brings in 100 new owners, that is great.
That is a lot more than a lot of others are doing

I see people say this will kill small syndicators, as part of a tipping service I provide. I have syndicated dogs out, the last few dogs have sold out in under 15-20 minutes.

That's cause they are reasonable, I am honest and tell people it may never win a race, It might win 10 races.

I take my hat off to the syndicators like PuntersHQ who are killing it at the moment, over 150 winners this year in different states.

This won't kill syndicates, it will promote the sport, it will get others keen.

That is 100 more people going to the track, maybe 300-400 when family and friends gather.
Last few times I have been to the track, crowd numbers are quite low.

I think the draft is one of the best ideas in years, it is supported by the industry.
Not some con man selling terrible pups, pimping them up as champions and delivering bugger all.

I am sure some are pissed off they didn't get involve in the draft or put there hand forward. After all only 18 trainers put in to be involved in training the draft dogs

Only 4 non trainers put the hands up to lead a team

We tried to buy a dog from the Bendigo ready 2 run auctions. Dogs went for crazy dollars, dogs running 24.50 going for 5k.

You don't win many races running 24.50

Anyway, you can accept change is here. You can accept the revolution of greyhound syndication or you can just stick your in the sand.

ENCOURAGE OWNERSHIP
ENCOURAGE THE OWNERS TO GET TO THE TRACK.

This is a great sport, We have spent tens of thousands of dollars buying dogs for very little return BUT we will keep spending cause we love to waste money on 30 seconds of enjoyment.

Well done to you Mark for keeping at it.
Just so you know - you cannot offer a syndicate now unless you obtain an AFSL, and then have it lodged as a managed investment scheme.
So if you were to advertise another syndicate publically like you said you had done previously, you would be illegally doing so without these ASIC compliances.
The rule changes that GRV have ushered through have ensured that most smaller scale syndicators like yourself can no longer do so.
I certainly pray the Sandown initiative takes off - because the GRVs new take on syndicates has put a lot of smaller promoters out of the game (like yourself if you chose to run another one) and taken a lot of small share owners with them (not everyone can afford $2550 upfront).



Adam Crouch
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That's correct Michael, however like Jamie said, most people don't join syndicates to get rich, they do it for the excitement and ability to brag to their mates they have a greyhound being Rob Britton or Andrea Dailly. Although $102,000 does sound like a lot, it's not as uncommon as it use to be for mediocre greyhounds to earn 30-50k during their career, so I don't think the chance of breaking even across three royally bred dogs is really not that far fetched.

The draft has included a 21st non-financial owner, someone who is involved in the naming of the greyhound, invited to all race day functions, correspondence ect. and get to take the dog home when it retires. There is also a helping hand fund, where all 10 team leaders have had to pay $5000 upfront into the fund, which will assist in any financial hardship the trainers face for the greyhounds.

Like others have said, there were 100 spots available, that's potentially 100 new participants into the industry. I don't see how that can possibly be portrayed to be a negative by anyone.


Wade Gallagher
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16 Dec 2018 22:23


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Adam Crouch wrote:

Like others have said, there were 100 spots available, that's potentially 100 new participants into the industry. I don't see how that can possibly be portrayed to be a negative by anyone.

This is the greyhound industry, many will find a way to see it as a negative.


Lisa Rasmussen
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17 Dec 2018 01:08


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You said only 18 trainers put their hands up to be involved, I know a lot that had no idea about it. Maybe if more trainers were offered the opportunity they too would have signed up for it. Bit hard when you dont know.
Good luck to all those involved.


Michael Barry
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17 Dec 2018 01:11


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Adam Crouch wrote:

That's correct Michael, however like Jamie said, most people don't join syndicates to get rich, they do it for the excitement and ability to brag to their mates they have a greyhound being Rob Britton or Andrea Dailly. Although $102,000 does sound like a lot, it's not as uncommon as it use to be for mediocre greyhounds to earn 30-50k during their career, so I don't think the chance of breaking even across three royally bred dogs is really not that far fetched.

The draft has included a 21st non-financial owner, someone who is involved in the naming of the greyhound, invited to all race day functions, correspondence ect. and get to take the dog home when it retires. There is also a helping hand fund, where all 10 team leaders have had to pay $5000 upfront into the fund, which will assist in any financial hardship the trainers face for the greyhounds.

Like others have said, there were 100 spots available, that's potentially 100 new participants into the industry. I don't see how that can possibly be portrayed to be a negative by anyone.


Thanks Adam, i have had a bit closer look at it , and where it wouldn't suit me , i can see that it would suit a lot of others
and if it brings more people , surely that can only be a good thing ,

and i understand lots and lots of people are in the dogs for fun they have other jobs that supply their income ,,
golf is also a hobby for most , and no one playing that for fun expects to make money in fact its the opposite ,

we have been doing the dogs for twenty years , we are yet to make money from it , we do it as a hobby our income is derived from elsewhere ,,
some months the dogs hold their own , but most they dont and we have to put in to keep the show on the road lol

if i were to choose an industry to make money id say the dogs would be one of the hardest 24/7 commitment , glad i choose building and development lol 5 day week sometimes lol


Sharon Wells
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17 Dec 2018 07:16


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Biggest con out . And Im sure these dogs will get preferential treatment. The rich get richer simple. Doesnt help the little bloke at all.



Craig Cooper
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17 Dec 2018 11:24


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didnt even know this was on

marketing fail time and time again by the industry


Mark Latham
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18 Dec 2018 07:26


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Craig Cooper wrote:

didnt even know this was on

marketing fail time and time again by the industry


A lot of races around the traps were named 2018draft.com.au and variations.


Hayden Gilders
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i heard it was a sell out and huge waiting list to cover potential defaulters. - a quick analysis of purchasers shows overwhelmingly new blood in the industry

source - 927 radio tuesday morning interview with jason?? from sandown



Jamie Quinlivian
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Kevin Wright wrote:

When was the last time any Spollys Dogs won in town

Just had a quick research on 2 Spolly dogs.
1 retired as a 33 start maiden.
The other has come last by 59 lengths last 3 starts, but does have a win.
Another one just got flogged at Cranny. 13 lengths last, 6 lengths behind 7th place, over 311m.





Kevin Wright
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09 Jan 2019 08:31


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Kevin Wright wrote:

When was the last time any Spollys Dogs won in town

Just had a quick research on 2 Spolly dogs.
1 retired as a 33 start maiden.
The other has come last by 59 lengths last 3 starts, but does have a win.
Another one just got flogged at Cranny. 13 lengths last, 6 lengths behind 7th place, over 311m.


Don't Worry JQ Spollys are in with Sandown and the GRV so things should pick up shortly and don't you know the Draft was a sell out with a huge waiting list ....

Great to see many think success can be gained by spending more money and buying pups for over inflated prices and stuffing up the little syndicates that used to make up our Owners within our sport ..

Spollys Syndicate dogs struggle to win in town ...Fact ...so why invest your money on tier 3 dogs ...

The GRV and Sandown have spent a heap of cash supporting Spollys Syndicates
but dont worry JQ the GRV have a endless supply of cash to waste on DUD Tracks and second rate syndicates... and i cannot wait for the ideas to flow from the PTB in 2019 ..





Craig Cooper
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09 Jan 2019 10:14


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agree JQ and kevin



Kevin Wright
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10 Jan 2019 02:28


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Kevin Wright wrote:

When was the last time any Spollys Dogs won in town

Just had a quick research on 2 Spolly dogs.
1 retired as a 33 start maiden.
The other has come last by 59 lengths last 3 starts, but does have a win.
Another one just got flogged at Cranny. 13 lengths last, 6 lengths behind 7th place, over 311m.

JQ a Little birdy told me that Spolly has just been knocked back on his planning permit to have 200 odd dogs. The neighbours jacked up and went to the council and objected. They treated the neighbours like fools, but little did they know one was related to a trainer and they were well versed on the code of conduct and the neighbours held them accountable! They even went to the real estate agents and got a letter to say their property values would go down 25% if it were to go ahead! Spollys are a rort, he's getting $150pw for every dog on the joint, then when he Farks them, he farms them out to his little disciple trainers who cant train to save themselves and gives them $60 pw to train them!!

Then GAP step in to take the leftovers
So the poor owner pays the entire time the slow dogs are racing! When will the GRV wake up that they are funding his sponsorship campaign at all these tracks!
GRV need to step in and shut them down, they are giving us all a bad name, or maybe that's what they want!

Spollys wastage gets Swolled up while other more successful Trainers and Owners have a different set of rules to play by ..

You be the Judge JQ ....Why is this even happening ...

I will continue to expose the truth no matter if it costs me My OTB License...

I will not be silenced or threatened ever again by the PTB

The Truth hurts but i cannot sit idle waiting for a brighter future and us the OTB MUST TAKE BACK control of our own destiny regardless of the consequences.

This is all 100% supported by the GRV ....




Craig Cooper
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10 Jan 2019 05:17


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sounds like the syn i was involved in kevin , chasing gold

almost fraudlent , $600 for 2.5% for a dog that runs last in a T3
their whole kennel of dogs wouldnt beat themselves in a race

contact GRV and they dont want to know ....i was a newbie to the industry, luckily i found a few trainers to advise me to get out of that syn and go elsewhere

absolute mugs


Brett Margerison
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Geelong Friday 2-2... EXTERNAL LINK

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