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These Novice Stakes are just blocking up the other graded racing now. With the losers going onto race the following week, we have to wait even further before we can get. our dogs out before they go out of time.With this in mind, I would ask all owners and trainers to email the following to the IGB. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Sir
With these Novice stakes that are taking up the majority of racing on any particular night, sometimes filling the card, I feel you should make provision for other dogs waiting to race. Personally, I have had dogs go out of time, and have still been waiting for a race some 3 weeks later. That is a total of 9 weeks without racing, and owners are not happy about it. I would suggest you consider laying on an further nights racing when these Novice and Consolation Stakes are taking place. This could be easily carried out at tracks like Waterford, Newbridge and Kilkenny, who are on just 1 night per week for evening racing. I await your reply.
John Brennan (Navan) Ireland (Verified User) Posts 656 Dogs 15 / Races 0 30 Jan 2019 18:51
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Surely as the year goes on we will see smaller numbers in these novice stakes? Was breeding not down in 2017?
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2514 Dogs 107 / Races 6 31 Jan 2019 11:48
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Lads these rules were changed without asking the owners breeders who suply the industry with the dogs what they think which to me is a lack of respect for the owner breeder...they say prize money has gone up...no it hasnt...if you win a round of a unraced you win 75 which ads up to a total pay out for 6 heats 410 that's 4 races short of a full card total payout 410 as a pose 6 normal race wins a 350 a win 2100 which is saving 1690...
In my opinion the people to blame are the time finding cheats who with the collusion of certain racing managers who put novice dogs in with experienced dogs in so called graded races are killing off graded races. Not long ago one of my girls who had run 15 races was included in a race with a dog that had only run 1 race. Guess which dog improved by 4 grades and won by 13 lengths. Greyhound racing will never attract paying spectators unless grading is fair and each dog has some sort of chance. At least by keeping novice dogs together it is a step in the right direction and the solution for experienced dogs is for there to be more races. It seems to me that it is ridiculous for a town as large as Kilkenny to only have one evening meeting per week.
Lynda Bonner United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 6240 Dogs 77 / Races 15 08 Feb 2019 12:00
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Email sent.
John Brennan (Navan) Ireland (Verified User) Posts 656 Dogs 15 / Races 0 08 Feb 2019 12:07
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42 dogs in lgd unraced and 42 in mgr unraced. Surely it cant continue at that rate every month. I think its early days to put the new system down
Dean Townsend United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 2104 Dogs 19 / Races 0 08 Feb 2019 12:17
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I think it's a good idea to keep pups in with pups. How many times does your 3 year old dog in his right grade get beat by a pup doing well above grade.
Having said that it needs a bit of commen sence and not putting top class pups with big trails into races with pups who are just about qualifying. Good idea but definitely needs twiking.
Frank Muldowney Ireland (Verified User) Posts 423 Dogs 1 / Races 0 08 Feb 2019 16:56
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look at shelbourne last night 2 races won by a distance a pup with 28 30 running against pups with 30 seconds trial how can that be right
Anthony Fuda Ireland (Verified User) Posts 81 Dogs 2 / Races 0 08 Feb 2019 17:24
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Good afternoon Anthony,
In April 2018, the IGB requested submissions regarding the grading and racing of novice greyhounds at licensed stadia as an area for consideration. The grading and racing of novice greyhounds at licensed stadia was also discussed at a meeting of the National Greyhound Consultative Forum in the same month. The following suggestions were offered during the consultation process:
Centralise Novice Racing at certain Stadia Keep all Novice races at Open Novice grade i.e. All novice greyhounds qualified to race are graded together irrespective of trial time Remove qualifying trials and permit greyhounds to race without a trial.
A proposal was then put forward for consultation regarding all unraced greyhounds to be catered for at stadia through the running of open unraced sweepstakes, with consolation events to be scheduled for greyhounds eliminated from first round of the sweepstakes i.e. all greyhounds to be afforded the opportunity of getting two races from the unraced event with greyhounds of similar experience. Greyhounds enter the normal graded pool following the completion of the unraced sweepstakes. This consultation process commenced in October 2018. Having considered the feedback and submissions received, the IGB amended the National Grading System to reflect the aforementioned feedback and submissions received. A novice greyhound is placed one grade lower than his time suggests on conclusion of his first race, for example greyhounds who ran A5 time last night will be lowered to A6. On completion of a greyhounds three consecutive unsuccessful race cycle (not including his first race) the greyhound will once again be lowered one grade from its current grade. This is intended to facilitate novice greyhounds racing with each other for as long as possible before being graded with experienced racing greyhounds in the main racing pool. The issue of novice greyhound seeding was the subject of a recent public consultation process and discussion at the most recent meeting of the National Greyhound Consultative Forum last month.
The Novice events appear to be popular, with entry pool figures for this month being significantly higher than Januarys figures. The amendments to the National Grading System in respect of novice racing are still relatively new and as such, the IGB welcomes all feedback from owners and trainers in respect of novice greyhound racing and any other issues. The Board are committed to assessing the success of the Novice events, with the system due to come under review again in March 2019.
Best regards, Barry Coleman (Racing Operations Manager) Bord na gCon Greenpark Dock Road Limerick V94 Y17X
Thats the email I got back
David Dunne Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1374 Dogs 108 / Races 26 08 Feb 2019 18:12
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(The Novice events appear to be popular, with entry pool figures for this month being significantly higher than Januarys figures)
thats because there is a glut of unraced dogs that have no choice but to run in one of these stakes
Kevin Kelly Ireland (Verified User) Posts 272 Dogs 88 / Races 2 08 Feb 2019 19:47
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Excatly David owners have no choice at the minute only to run in these Novices stakes to get a race and 90 % of them are being thrown to the wolfes and being beaten a distance and made a mockery of by these muppetts who made up this new Joke of a Novice grading system.
Do these lads not realise the time and expense it costs to get a pup to racing age and then go and get a hammering in a race against a Dog that has a Ton in hand on paper on the clock .. dont mind being beaten thats racing but keep pups in their own grade and give them a chance to learn the game.
Maybe do away with the N3 grade and have N0 29.50 > N1 29.50 > 30.00 N2 30.00 > 30.70 and give everyone a fair chance and leave it as it is no pups in against race Dogs.
Every single greyhond owner on here and other sites North and South please EMAIL the IGB. and let them know what you think of this disaster of a Novice grading system and as usual a small minority will agree with it but what i m hearing on the ground and reading 99% of owners think its wrong and has to change and i for one will get out of Dogs before i run a Pup in this new system its wrong and has to change all that i want like everyone else is a fair chance , can take my beating anyday thats sport but not going to go along with this crap so hopefully the IGB. will see sense and come up with a better system.
Dean Randall Ireland (Verified User) Posts 224 Dogs 11 / Races 1 09 Feb 2019 12:22
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A race in Limerick tonight 1 dog qualifying in 28.98 up against dogs qualifying in 30.00+ wonder who will win!!!
Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Feb 2019 14:58
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It's a joke, the board seems to be looking after the big boys, a pup getting beat by 20 lengths is crazy, it's a backwards step, and some of these big boys are the ones responsible for the problem with the drugs in the sport, too many people walked away from the sport in the last 10 years, with this it will continue at a faster rate.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 10 Feb 2019 11:06
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Mullingar last night unraced puppy event.
Distances first to last in some heats. 27.5 lengths 22 Lengths 28 Lengths 25 Lengths..... Back in the day the Board included a clued in doggy person amongst the ranks. Do we have anyone now.
John O Connell Ireland (Verified User) Posts 223 Dogs 7 / Races 0 10 Feb 2019 17:00
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In my opinion the days when an owner/trainer could dream of winning an Unraced at his local track are probably gone for good under this system. It plays into the hands of the professionals with the bigger budgets to purchase the decent pups before they race and that for me is the death knell for greyhound racing as we know it. Everyone probably agrees that its ideal to have pups being kept with pups for their early races but that is the only element of the system that appeals. Racing managers no longer need to be able to grade a puppy event and raging money on favourites mean no betting market. Hopefully all of the views being expressed on various forums will be taken on board but it looks like at the moment that the system is not functioning properly. Its important that suggestions that could work are put forward if a solution is to be found because negativity alone wont succeed.
John Geoghegan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 859 Dogs 18 / Races 0 10 Feb 2019 18:26
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If you only give two choices to the IGB they always seem to take the wrong one.
Francis Walsh Ireland (Verified User) Posts 390 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Feb 2019 19:09
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dean randall wrote:
A race in Limerick tonight 1 dog qualifying in 28.98 up against dogs qualifying in 30.00+ wonder who will win!!!
He won by 9 lengths, great for the winner, total rubbish for the other 5.
John Geoghegan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 859 Dogs 18 / Races 0 10 Feb 2019 19:26
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It's simple no dogs no racing. it's in the owners control.
Here is my suggestion . The new system is not inspiring any confidence amongst breeders.
1. Novice open sweepstakes Open to all greyhounds and these should have the most valuable prize money eg E2000 plus but minimum of E2000 and extra place money for entrants. No time finding restrictions. Seeding allowed.
2. 29.30 class sweepstakes for Novice pups. Prize money E1500 Seeding allowed. Time finding restriction of 0.50 applies ( eg No better than 28.80 allowed) and timefinders are not eligible to claim the prize money nor participate in the next round.
3. 29.80 class or lower Sweepstakes for novice pups. Prize money E1000 Seeding allowed. Time finding restriction of 0.50 applies. ( No better time than 29.30 allowed) Time finders are not eligible to claim the prize money nor participate in the next round.
4. 30.20 class or lower Sweepstake for novice pups. Seeding??? Time restriction of 0.50 applies (No better than 29.70 allowed) Prize money E650/E700
This system would give breeders/ owners a very fair chance to grade in their pups and at least the pups will be meeting should not be capable of beating them by large distances as is happening at the moment. Basically the owner/breeder is grading his/her own pups.
John Brennan (Navan) Ireland (Verified User) Posts 656 Dogs 15 / Races 0 11 Feb 2019 13:09
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I dont think time restrictions would work. At Mgr on Saturday that would have meant that5 of the 7 heat winners would be disqualified.
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