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Michael Barry
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26 Mar 2019 09:34


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they changed the recipe if VB a while ago , sales went to near ZERO never recovered ,, it was the biggest seller in vic at the time ,



Jeanette Spruyt
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26 Mar 2019 12:20


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I finally got the new stock today, and I am pretty impressed with the upgrade in nutritional changes from a reading point of view. Obviously the green tea is a sticking point.
It's a pity because CopRice is a top product, great price and even better "Australian Made, Owned by Australian Farmers" (that's what was printed on the older stock). I can't see that repeated at all on the newer stock? Maybe I could be missing it somewhere else on the bag - but at a glance that wording has disappeared.
On the front of the new bag, it does say instead "Made with 100% Australian brown rice".
I'm half and half about using it - because I like it so much the CopRice but on the other hand even if it was established that the green tea was decaffeinated it does cause some concern.
I suppose CopRice would need to remove it or give a 100 per cent guarantee on their removal of caffeine process.

Explanation found elsewhere:
Quote" Catechins are the most active antioxidants in green tea. ... The most commonly available decaffeinated green tea is "naturally decaffeinated". It is made using a chemical solvent called ethyl acetate. During this process, tea leaves are soaked in water to release caffeine and other tea compounds. End of quote".

Quotes"Decaffeinated Green Tea Warnings!

For a tea to be legally labelled "decaffeinated" in the United States, 98% of the caffeine must be removed.

This means one cup should contain less than 5 milligram of caffeine or 0.4% in dry weight.

For caffeine sensitive individuals, drinking decaffeinated tea may seem an ideal way to enjoy tea health benefits without its side effects.

Unfortunately, things do not quite work out this way.

Quote" The decaffeination process also removes one third to half of the antioxidants found in green tea. End of quote".

The chemical solvent residue can pose a health risk.

Ironically, ethyl acetate is a naturally occurring substance found in regular tea leaves. This allows manufacturers to call their tea "naturally decaffeinated. End of quotes".

My quote" the green tea component in the premium food formula - sounds like a load of crock sh*t to me. end of quote".
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The more I read, I think they should just get rid of it, there doesn't seem any point to having it there.
And their reasoning would be interesting.
It seems a long time not to get an answer from CopRice?
Once again it is a pity, gone are the categories on the old bag
tick for farm dogs, tick for security/guard dogs, tick for greyhounds, tick for canine sports dogs - agility and flyball.
Now it's just lots of describing words around a Working Dog.
Did they really have their head in the sand when it came to the greyhound and their need of respect. Were they really living on another planet?
I can remember a long time ago I think it was a long time ago, little sample bags of CopRice given out, possibly track side somewhere, something like that. Kinda like a BBQ shape snack bag size but a little bigger.
Obviously the product was been targeted to the greyhound breed, when they were trying to build up their product/business, it's a real pity that there has not been a better response.
My 50/50 perspective is changing.
What are they doing?
What's their plan?

Time will tell.




Jeff Crawford
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26 Mar 2019 19:41


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Great post Jeanette......

Coprice has lost my business due to this Caffeine concern. Cannot risk it.



Jeanette Spruyt
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Thanks Jeff, the quotes got a bit messy - time was ticking away after midnight but the gist is there.
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I get pissed off about it.
We have had so many changes generally in greyhound racing and there is a lot more in the new year, Ok you have to go with the flow but to have to worry about kibble is just ridiculous.

CopRice needs to get on the front foot with this, it's just so unfair.

GRV has an announcement about the green tea, but it got me thinking 72 hrs withholding but what about out of comp. testing.
So that's it, yes you can't really use CopRice at all for any of your greyhounds that are going to get tested at any time.
We'll cop it because it is our responsibility, and we have to be aware of what contents are in any product.
And I suppose just because I feel that it's not fair, doesn't mean that kibble is given a waiver.
I will just have to definitely swap to the HyPro (think that was the name) because I want a few of my dogs to get back on the track soon, and I am not going to let the kibble change - slow me down.
It's hard initially to think about changing when you and your dogs are comfortable with a product, but reality it is what it is - and there is no choice.





Jason Caley
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27 Mar 2019 01:56


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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

I wouldn't be relying on tests to say it's decaffeinated.
Better off to stop buying it. Soon enough the manufacturers will realize that sales have dropped 1000% since they changed the recipe.
Any antis working at Coprice?

So next I should stop soaking my new better than ever formula of Coprice kibble in Coke Zero?? How dare you!!? j/k

On a more serious note I wont be using it going forward and remain unconvinced that some of the older style bags wont be affected. To match the change of formula to the new bags immediately at outset is well, unlikely. Hopefully thats not the case but no-one knows right now.




Jeanette Spruyt
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27 Mar 2019 02:13


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Worst thing is no - damage control from CopRice, from what I can tell.
Hello is anyone in there?
I've moved on anyway.



Jason Caley
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27 Mar 2019 03:07


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^^ Agree Jeanette. But at least a statement from them saying when the new formula production run commenced could provide some degree of assurances to trainers using the older style bags/product.

Wouldnt take much from them to publish, product earler than date x/y/z remains unchanged. Twenty years back a similar thing happened with an unnamed company still in business (big premium brand) and it was revealed several months later that the formula had changed and was being placed in older bags until they depleted the stock of that packaging.




Jason Caley
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27 Mar 2019 05:18


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Hi all -

Just a quick update that I have been in contact with the primary animal nutritionist at Coprice and am now satisfied with using the product. Essentially I have been told that what used to be listed as Antioxidants on the former packaging is now broken out Into detailed sub components but that the antioxidant mix has not changed in at least six years.

As a long time user of this I am satisfied with the answers provided whilst recognising the due diligence and actions required with respect to integrity units across racing.
I have put in a call to GRV also to request they at least consider analysing both kibbles in pre and post packaging changes. That will with some modicum of sanity assure us all that nothing has changed when it comes to the antioxidant compounds being fed to our dogs.

This will be my final posting about a kibble as I am satisfied with the answers provided by the manufacturer.



Kevin Murnane
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29 Mar 2019 09:58


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Hi Jason missing this state? I spoke to the nutritionist on Tuesday at the coprice plant in cobden vic I was very satisfied with the response in the same boat as you a long time customer of coprice products I will be still using coprice


Kev Galloway
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Jason Caley wrote:

Hi all -

Just a quick update that I have been in contact with the primary animal nutritionist at Coprice and am now satisfied with using the product. Essentially I have been told that what used to be listed as Antioxidants on the former packaging is now broken out Into detailed sub components but that the antioxidant mix has not changed in at least six years.

As a long time user of this I am satisfied with the answers provided whilst recognising the due diligence and actions required with respect to integrity units across racing.
I have put in a call to GRV also to request they at least consider analysing both kibbles in pre and post packaging changes. That will with some modicum of sanity assure us all that nothing has changed when it comes to the antioxidant compounds being fed to our dogs.

This will be my final posting about a kibble as I am satisfied with the answers provided by the manufacturer.


I won't be satisfied until coprice put for greyhounds on their new bags.


Peter Griffen
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04 Apr 2019 09:03


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To many varying stories to different phone calls till they post on their website that the formula has not changed or the GRV clears the product I will not be taking any chances



Jeanette Spruyt
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08 Apr 2019 02:21


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a friend looked over bags over weekend, my apology the new bag still does have "Australian made, farmer owned".

And I also need to say - CopRice do care, they do care greatly about the status of their working dog product.
They are working diligently, with the Greyhound integrity unit I believe, to ensure that the situation is handled with the utmost respect.

Also to my understanding, the antioxidants have been the same formula for a very long time.

The green tea does play a role in the antioxidant mix, in turn which basically acts as a deterrent to rancidity of the food product, opposed to being part of the food product (my translation).

At the end of the day, CopRice needs a statement to be made, but that won't happen until the tests have been completely finalised/compiled.

So all I can say is that I believe now that CopRice does care greatly, and we have to be patient in waiting for the final understanding from GRV.

I am relieved because CopRice puppy formula speaks for itself, as also has the working dog fomula - the stool is the evidence.

Just knowing that they do give two shits means a lot.
All the best to CopRice, a great Aussie product.




Peter Griffen
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08 Apr 2019 07:55


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We all love coprice I rear on their puppy and race on their working dog all that was needed was to state no change in formula at the beginning and there was no drama this is my last post on this subject it was poorly handled at their end


Ben George
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09 Apr 2019 07:50


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Cop Rice is safe to use imo.........he been swabbed countless times.
I personally would stay right away from any MARS CORP. sell, its a very long list of brands.
International owned also



Jeanette Spruyt
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09 Apr 2019 10:54


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Re: CopRice
I agree that it could have been handled better, especially in this climate, we have had a lot of changes.
I believe that their hands are tied in a sense, because GRV has advised of the 72 withholding period (essentially warning wise, until further notice, wiping it out, as you can't change kibbles 3 days off/4 days on), CopRice don't want to go out on their own speak wise, they need the Greyhound authorities to be on board with them. That's where it is at now, regardless whether or not people still want to use it or not - it is definitely hurting CopRice (the new bags!). I believe they are being as open as they can be. And I also know anyone that wants to speak with CopRice - they are open and caring to your communication.
It is what it is, and time will tell soon how this product comes out with all of the testing, and then how it stands up as a product that can or can not enhance an animal at all from a speed or unfair advantage point of view. How will the green tea be classified? - not looking good if it is a prohibited substance. We all seem to agree that we believe the component does not come to the fore in the dog, it's just a mess now because of the long term view. That's probably the question, even though it does not appear to come to the fore even then, from what I can tell.
Maybe they may have to replace it with something else - what does that mean, something artificial.
Who knows? I don't want to think about it too much either any more.
All I can say is the outcome will be interesting, and looking forward to a conclusion.



Jason Caley
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09 Apr 2019 13:34


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There are other supplements and kibbles out there that do what Coprice used to do by simply listing antioxidants without exactly saying what they are.

In the case of Coprice what they thought was a marketing advantage by listing the compounds has turned into a nightmare for them with respect to racing.

But do not assume they are unique - plenty of other manufacturers out there list only the words antioxidants on their bags so if you are in that situation and been using the product youre fine. But if trying a new product it may pay to call the manufacturer and find out.


Michael Barry
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04 Jun 2019 05:56


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the all clear has been given
EXTERNAL LINK



Jeanette Spruyt
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13 Jun 2019 08:12


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Michael Barry wrote:

the all clear has been given
EXTERNAL LINK

Been wanting to say "Thanks for the update".
I don't go to the greyhound care website a lot unless directed to or trying to find something from the past.
My internet sometimes is annoying e.g. not fast.
I did not see the update via fasttrack?
Anyway, I was happy to see your post.
Cheers!
p.s. thought given I made a couple of other remarks on other posts, may as well do this reply while I've started.
Sheez, I am really behind the eight ball now, I'm going - Ciao!



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