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When the IGB sent out notice looking for submissions from owners & Breeders regarding the running of Open Novice Unraced Stakes they failed to acknowledge submissions from people who play a big part in this industry with breeding & rearing & racing greyhounds for years, these are the people who have kept this sport alive by suppling the IGB with greyhounds you would think the IGB would listen to people who fully understand how this industry works best. The IGB need to start taking on board ideas from the grass roots and stop being doped by certain individuals who are running a mockery with this current system which by all accounts has been a complete failure across the board where dogs are winning by 15 & 20 +lengths and in some cases more and with times that are untouchable by most other greyhounds. Below is a copy of a letter the IGOBF CLG received from one unhappy owner/breeder. Dear chairman, Please note that the new system of compulsory novice open stakes has proved to be frustrating owners to the point of driving owners and breeders to exit the sport. It also provides poor viewing for spectators as many races are just a formality and destroys the betting market as SP returns often 1/5 ,1/3 and winning margins by distances.which is sole destroying to owners who invested to purchase a pup ,incur the expenses to rear and school then be forced to compete again a competitor 20 lengths superiorits totally unacceptable and unjust to expect an owner to travel to a stadium when he is aware he has zero chance before he leaves home, this is evident in the amount of race withdrawals/ non-runners in these competitions around the country recent results from Tralee show 2 dog races and Dundalk Shelbourne etc 3 dog raceswhich again is very poor viewing, the IGB are itself struggling with implications of this poorly thought out notion, its all good trialling a new system but when the failing are having such a negative impact strong leadership ought to remedy with urgency before more damage is doneowners (investors have reported they not prepared to invest to purchase pups to be humiliated and more importantly losing their investment as it devalues the pups (investment) significantly when beating by such distancesI write this mail as Ive received reports of anger throughout owners at the insulting FAKE NEWS that the CEO last week published, that he has received positive feedback in relation to this new system of novice opens(there is simply no truth in same).owners are hitting out at this statement and conversations are escalating ref withdrawing race entries if this system is going to continue.owners /investors are at breaking point with this unjust concept of a 30.30 qualifier been forced to compete again a 28.30 qualifierwhich did lead to the dogs in the race when beaten a distance not been allotted any time or grade it happened again in round 2 when racing manager cleverly returned a 14.5 length result rather than the 15 lengths which is a distance just to allot the beaten dogs a grade and time if the manager had called 15 lengths (a distance) then some dogs would have had 2 lines of form time display 99.99 seconds ,this is an integrity issue caused by this compulsory system .Its abundantly clear that whoever came up with this system has zero comprehension of keeping greyhounds or greyhound ownership or breedingor the implications negatively effecting this same investor, The life blood of this industry which is why I request that you to step up efforts to delivery on a better method of communication with owners and breeders who can assist & benefit the sport going forward . ensuring ownership is attractive to promote investment (ownership), happy owners is the best form of marketing as the excitement that is missing is infectious, presently owners are outraged and this is viewed as a deterrent to re-invest. Before one changes a system one must examine why the previous system was introduced and I remember clearly the N0, N1,N2,N3,were introduced because the IGB we inundated with complaints from owners when they were put in races to compete against dogs with much superior qualifying time achieved and another complaint was racing managers had a free run to put together a race with favouritism so the novice 0 1,2,3, was introduced and all pups were graded on times achieved and no owner /dog was asked to compete against another( fairness to all) with more than 3 or 4 lengths of a difference on qualifying times achieved , proved to be very fair giving every competitor some chance e of winning. Which is a testimony to how well the Novice 0 123 worked as these issues were a thing of the past until now were visiting the frustrations,
Regards Owner breeder
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 14 Apr 2019 17:59
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EXTERNAL LINK Owners would love to be a fly on the wall when this shambles is being discussed in the Boardroom.
When did you last run a dog in a novice unraced dave?
Why personaise the issue Stephen.. .I think it's clear Daves efforts are trying to improve this issue to better the sport for the grass roots owners and breeders..and retain owners to keep our sport afloat... think it would serve the industry well if folk put their shoulder to wheel rather negative chiping at effort
When did you last run a dog in a novice unraced dave?
Why personaise the issue Stephen.. .I think it's clear Daves efforts are trying to improve this issue to better the sport for the grass roots owners and breeders..and retain owners to keep our sport afloat... think it would serve the industry well if folk put their shoulder to wheel rather negative chiping at effort
Well said biggest problem among owners in this sport is they would rather slag each other of than focus on solving the many problems that exist for owners/breeders.
When did you last run a dog in a novice unraced dave?
Why personaise the issue Stephen.. .I think it's clear Daves efforts are trying to improve this issue to better the sport for the grass roots owners and breeders..and retain owners to keep our sport afloat... think it would serve the industry well if folk put their shoulder to wheel rather negative chiping at effort
I agree with kieran on this one. Think dave puts in Hugh effort to make this industry better by letting us all know what's going on. Keep up the great work dave, love reading your posts Dermot
The new system only suits the big trainer with the 28.50 dog, the problem is 95% of novice dogs are 30 seconds dogs, Dollard should listen to grass route owners and trainers and dump this farse of unraced sweeps.
how anyone can not see its not working i dont know
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Apr 2019 18:16
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Following consultation this was introduced. I wonder how this was expected to pan out when originally planned. Doubt the Igobf were consulted. EXTERNAL LINK
Quote The matter of novice greyhound racing was additionally discussed at a meeting of the National Greyhound Consultative Forum in September 2018.
Having considered the feedback and submissions received, the Irish Greyhound Board wish to advise that the National Grading System will be amended to reflect the aforementioned feedback and submissions received.
Yes the Novice greyhound racing was discussed at the Forum but the IGB never told all other owners/breeders that everyone in the room that day was totally against their mad ideas,submissions put forward from the IGOBF were disregarded & binned, we have been told that this new unraced stakes have brought in more people through the turnstiles and it has generated more betting revenues, (show us the proof) The bookmakers are kicking up and they wont lay a dog because of the lack of transparancy involed, what a sham IMO.
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 697 Dogs 11 / Races 2 15 Apr 2019 20:35
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Dave it sounds alot like greyhound racing NEW SOUTH WALES AUS!.
When you get 8 novice opens sprints races running on a Saturday night I dont think it will bring in more people...50 euro to heat winners wont encourage people to keep dogs.. Pups being beaten by 20 lenghts wont encourage Pups to run ...
It seems the bookmakers have a better input into greyhound racing in Ireland now rather than the owners, breeders and trainers.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 15 Apr 2019 23:08
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We need a third Indecon report to sort this one out. We had one in 2014 Another in the mix now. Dance to the Bookie tune Francis blanket finishes to every race and if you win consistently close your account. EXTERNAL LINK
Kevin Lindsay United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1420 Dogs 10 / Races 7 17 Apr 2019 14:28
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I'm guessing owning a genuine A6 dog regularly beaten half the track by a Novice finding 10+ lengths on its grading trials didn't inspire ownership, otherwise why did they change the system? Equally owning a Novice being beaten half the track in a Novice Stake doesn't appeal either. So, what is the answer?
Andrew Hand Ireland (Verified User) Posts 311 Dogs 34 / Races 0 17 Apr 2019 16:52
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Better grading. And stop all these sweepstakes NOBODY wants them.
I'm guessing owning a genuine A6 dog regularly beaten half the track by a Novice finding 10+ lengths on its grading trials didn't inspire ownership, otherwise why did they change the system? Equally owning a Novice being beaten half the track in a Novice Stake doesn't appeal either. So, what is the answer?
the answe might be graded novice stakes and if a dog improves by.more than 6/8 lenghts then red light the race.
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