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SA batting above its weight.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 May 2019 22:58
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Have people not noticed that the National Derby winner, Queensland Derby winner and Launching Pad winner are all SA needs. Axel Footluce, Sennachie and Tauwitcherie?
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 May 2019 22:59
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SA bred.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 10 May 2019 00:54
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
Have people not noticed that the National Derby winner, Queensland Derby winner and Launching Pad winner are all SA needs. Axel Footluce, Sennachie and Tauwitcherie?
It is certainly on the up Ray
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 10 May 2019 02:34
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Not knocking SA but maybe part of the reason could be that breeding restrictions in some states has led to dogs ability and quality going backwards J.M.O. cheers Ted.
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 May 2019 05:12
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Which is yet another reason why breeding should always be assessed on a national basis. Luck would be another.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 May 2019 05:15
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Times speak for themselves. Sennachie 3rd fastest ever at Albion. Gwydion ran 29.29 at Sandown when second in speed star.
Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 May 2019 22:52
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What's luck (love) got to do with it? As Tina Turner would say. In SA we average 400 pups per year. To produce three group quality dogs has nothing to do with luck or breeding restrictions. Good blood, top rearing might be a factor.
Edward (Ted) Howard Australia (Verified User) Posts 1195 Dogs 16 / Races 0 11 May 2019 07:45
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Hi Ray the top of the tree hasn't changed much but the lower branches are dropping off. The top bitches will mostly breed on but the taper is getting steeper and the bottom is getting lower.Well done S.A.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 14 May 2019 09:02
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
Have people not noticed that the National Derby winner, Queensland Derby winner and Launching Pad winner are all SA needs. Axel Footluce, Sennachie and Tauwitcherie?
Your state is run by an anti greyhound person... Your participants might be good breeders but in the long run you will be breeding nothing... you need to get rid of corby, anyone who promotes 6 dog fields is anti racing
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 14 May 2019 23:34
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Glenn Hatton wrote:
Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
Have people not noticed that the National Derby winner, Queensland Derby winner and Launching Pad winner are all SA needs. Axel Footluce, Sennachie and Tauwitcherie?
Your state is run by an anti greyhound person... Your participants might be good breeders but in the long run you will be breeding nothing... you need to get rid of corby, anyone who promotes 6 dog fields is anti racing
What a silly statement. Particularly about a state where authorities actually tell you what is going on, publish details of discussions with participants, ask for suggestions about track layouts and supply reasons for changes in rules. Tell me another state which does that.
Added to which is that SA is always under financial pressure due to its smaller population and its decision to use an uncompetitive TAB - ie Ubet (as did Tasmania).
A better judgement can be made when the G6 experiment concludes and we see the results. Meantime, other states are running lashings of 6-dog races without even trying. By the way, as part of that discussion I would like to see an analysis of why there are frequently 2,3,4 scratchings in individual races. That is excessive, even given the propensity of greyhounds to suffer soft tissue injuries.
But, yes, I am dubious about the net benefits of 6- v 8-dog races. There must be some downward influence on betting and I think the claim about lower injury levels is unproven. (We could say more if NSW and Victoria had published details of their 6-dog trials, but they have kept it all in house - it's need-to-know, apparently).
Fewer starters may well deliver a marginally lower interference rate - perhaps at the start - but I doubt it influences final outcomes much. Typically, the greyhound field quickly divides itself into two divisions where the back half have little hope and the front half battle it out. Interference (ie falls) mostly occur as back markers are trying to get through that back division and a tangle of legs decides their fate.
The related issue is to determine correctly which factor causes what interference. Field size is only one. Others include distance to first turn, even-ness of turn radius, banking, injuries, lure type, suitability of box position, poor quality fields, unsuitable race distance and dumb dogs - plus inherent early speed characteristics.
The follow-on point is what authorities end up doing about the declining dog population. G6 is one answer but not a strong one. Other measures are available but have not been tried. In any case, they should have been tried 10 years ago when the first signs appeared. Sadly, authorities never bothered to read the tea leaves.
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