Good on you for being able to see the new plans that's great but what about the GRV release this info for all of its Members ..
So we make our own minds up

Traralgons new track was a joke so u cannot sit back and take pot shots now AT PEOPLE because the damage was already done long ago in fact the President of the club used to defend the shit hole on here when clearly the track was worse than the Geelong White Elephant ..

Like always the GRV do what they want regardless what any Member says and Robert you can blow smoke up there ass all you want but why should we allow a dictatorship to rule our Industry ...
Robert you made the GRV bull ring at Sale at a huge cost you were paid so well for a basic design i could of built it for half the price and done a better job ...i think the bull ring was a Joke as well

Cheers

you would assume they have learnt something from the last debacle,

i wonder how much GRV have wasted , over the tears
remember the new track at Shepperton , with its asphalt/foam surface , which had to be dug up and replaced after a few weeks use

WHAT ABOUT THE BRILLIANT SILENT LURE AT SANDOWN WHERE THEY PUT IN A RECORDING OF THE LURE NOISE OR WHEN THEY PUT OIL INTO THE TRACK TO STOP KICKBACK AND DOGS EYES WERE BEING INFECTED OR THE CLAY THEY PUT INTO THE TRACK WHERE ALL THE DOGS COME BACK ORANGE.

IT SEEMS GREYHOUND ADMINISTRATORS DO NOT LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES THEY SIMPLY COMPOUND THEM AND THEN CALL TRAINERS WINGERS WHEN THEY SPEAK UP.

I RACED THROUGH ALL THOSE TIMES, ABSOLUTE JOKE. AND YES ALL THIS IN BOLD BECAUSE I AM SAYING IT LOUD!

FOOT NOTE: THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPERIENCED PEOPLE MEET WITH GRV TO POINT OUT THE DANGERS OF THIS NEW TRARALGON VENTURE, MAYBE A FEW MORE OLD HANDS NEED TO GET IN THERE QUICK SMART BEFORE ANOTHER 10MIL GOES DOWN THE GURGULAR.

Traralgon seems to be a bit of thorn in their side...

Save the 10 mil buy some land build a straight track ...600 metres long ...have 4 different distances

Build it and they will come

Who comes up with these ideas ...

Millions and millions has already been waisted and with the reduction of dogs being breed
Is this really feasible in the current climate to be building new tracks when the tracks we do have are being so underutilised .

450 straight with a huge bend some weeks they race into one catching pen the next they run on a bend into a different catching pen ..

Sounds perfectly logical ...doh doh doh a Homer moment

LOL

Rich.

Michael - Shepparton was specifically listed as an experiment using synthetic material. It failed (due heat problems) but I can't criticise GRV (Stephens) for trying.

Cranbourne - for ever and a day the first and home turns have been sub-par. Many dogs can't handle the turn and get thrown off. NB this is why you often see runners from 7 and 8 whizzing around to the lead - also reflected in winning box numbers.

The German's point about turn radii was evaluated specifically by Adam Wallish but I am not sure where it went after that. Why not ask him?

Wang - the turn into the home straight did not suit many dogs. They ran out.

The bigger question posed is straight v circle. I think some straight track racing is absolutely vital for a variety of reasons. Too much is not for two specific reasons ... (a) it becomes boring and (b) it starts to bias breeding in favour of big/strong types and disadvantages dogs at the nippy/railer end of the spectrum. A decent circle embracing straights and turns is a good test of a greyhound and entertaining to watch.

Moreover, that would be two wrongs trying to make a right. Why not get the circle designs sorted out - ie stop letting amateurs design tracks. Sensibly, the industry would set up a National Engineering unit of some sort to review/design/build/upgrade all tracks instead of relying on half-baked opinions of authority and club employees.

Paul Newson (ex-NSW) had some faults but he did two good things - he immediately recognised where the problems were and so he set up independent units to look into live baiting (WDA) and track design (UTS). In the entire history of greyhound racing nobody has ever done that. (The industry hates outsiders). They all relied on the "we know best" syndrome when plainly they do not - as evidenced by all the comments on this thread.

UTS cannot do the whole job as they are not knowledgeable about greyhounds or about surface peculiarities. But they can analyse evidence and develop some reliable scientific principles to follow. That's why you need a composite group to take charge.

Do that and you might even get some punters to return to the fold.

it also failed due to the cold it set like concrete , in heat it melted like tar and the foam/sponge in it stuck to the dogs ,

if you were using your own money , you would have trialed it at a small trial track , these people dont use their own money so it matters little , what is wasted , and seem to be accountable to no one ,

there is simply no need for a second new track at traralgon , the area is well served with existing tracks ,
as the joint was closed half the time anyway

If done right like they do with roads highway freeways then there should never be a problem with drainage its simple to solve isolate and fix ...
The problem with Traralgon is that now it is not needed
it should not be built ...

Turn it into a Canine park who cares ...

Boosting egos wasting funds does not serve any purpose TRARALGON SHOULD BE KILLED OFF ....Sale Warragul Cranbourne Healesville Geelong Warrnambool bendigo Ballarat Shepperton Horsham Sandown and The Meadows ....

12 Tracks all being used once or twice a week ...This is stupid
Why not increase race meetings before we build more tracks

I visited Florida in 1995 and went to the Hollywood Park Greyhound track. Had a bit of a giggle about the process compared to the Aussie way. Remembering this was 25 years ago!

They were running morning, afternoon and evening 10 race programs on a daily basis.I did notice the track surfaces were deep. We know the longevity of American dogs on the track and my theory is this that the slow tracks and that the dogs mainly race at one home track eliminates the risk of injury.

Track design is getting a lot of attention, we have had transitional turn tracks and everything in-between but my view is the obsession with speed(fast tracks) and the fact every track is different, cambers, box positions etc will be impossible to fix because greyhounds are not adjustable. In horse and harness racing they at least will work their horses the opposite way as to strengthen both sides of the body.

I use race cars as an example. All the racing tracks are different and require adjustment which is why qualifying exists and obviously we do not have that option. Every track, every first turn, every camber is different. Slow the tracks down and you lesson the chance of injury. This will never be solved with welfare being the driving force because fast and poorly prepared tracks will create the opportunity for injury.

If GRV were fairdinkum and had knowledge which they don't the only option is not track design but slowing the surface and eliminating the soft spot holes in the track that causes hock and back muscle injuries. I always thought the American racing muzzles were silly but now I understand the front is covered to handle the kickback of deep tracks.

Millions have already been spent to no avail and of course the current crop of GRV intelligenceia have no idea. I am not a part of the industry any longer but I still care about participant and animal welfare. I have stories of my own dogs breaking down badly on poorly prepared tracks and I see this latest GRV grandstanding as a way of justifying their existence.

On a personal note, Traralgon was spruked to be like Richmond and never was. I lost a bitch there with 2 broken legs on the first turn on the 300, that's where participant welfare comes in. Never hear to much of that from GRV.

cambers/ spirals/transitions etc will be flawed at some points on the track ,

a straight track is the only way you can have multiple starting distances , and of course it eliminates these stupid bend starts that they seem to have in every state