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Charles W Mizzi
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EXTERNAL LINK


Steve Bennie
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Completely and Totally Agree Charles.


Mark Staines
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09 Jun 2019 00:50


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Interesting both Kennels have the same Barrister Mr Brown !!!!


Steve Bennie
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09 Jun 2019 01:51


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Mark Staines wrote:

Interesting both Kennels have the same Barrister Mr Brown !!!!

I hope that Mr Brown not one of Mrs Brown's boy's or they are in Big Shi&T!. LOL.


Ronald George Hunter
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And so it goes.......

The likes of you and I. and the general masses
Are treated like crims, and would be fascists
While, those who sit snugly moneyed at the top
Can race on, without their income stopped!



Jamie Quinlivian
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charles w mizzi wrote:

EXTERNAL LINK

Finally, a respected publication has said what is small timers have always known.
Glad I got booted out when I did.



Nathan Bendeich
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I guess we will never know ........ seems to be the reoccurring theme

Industry is on fire for all the wrong reasons
Makes the innocent wonder why bother

Rules are simple to follow arent they , bust your arse for what ?

Joke , disappointing only scratches the surface if findings are correct




Charles W Mizzi
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Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!


Bill Deguara
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

I guess we will never know ........ seems to be the reoccurring theme

Industry is on fire for all the wrong reasons
Makes the innocent wonder why bother

Rules are simple to follow arent they , bust your arse for what ?

Joke , disappointing only scratches the surface if findings are correct

THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD,and if anyone thinks otherwise they are living in fairyland.



Hayden Gilders
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A casual observer could be forgiven for thinking that some people are making this story up as they go.

Fridays RADB hearing is an appeal by Thompson & Grenfell against a decision ( allowable under the rules ) to suspend the trainers` registrations while the enquiry into the swab irregularities continues. This has caused the individual(s) income flow to cease.
It would seem that the stewards aren't in too much of a hurry to withdraw the suspension or reinstate the income flow and that could be why there has to be an appeal

This procedure in itself is unusual in Victoria and would have only been considered a handful of times in the last few years. It certainly doesn't happen with low category drugs like cobalt, arsnic, or other substances that are of the nature that can be passed on from the trainers personal prescribed drugs. And these would cover most of the positives (unintentional) that the small trainers get pinged for.

The only thing that hasn't been disclosed (to the ire of the beaks) is the substance that has turned up in the swabs. This should come out in evidence at the hearing of the offence, if not, there may be a good reason to whinge.

With regard to Marg Long, she doesn't retire until the end of June (3 weeks away). Any opinion to date on how she is seen off must surely be premature. Contrary to current belief the accolades have started with great enthusiasm by George Farugia and Molly Haintz (both part time spin doctors for GRV) in an interview on 927 radio "Off The Leash" this morning. There was no sign of some one departing through the back door in disgrace. But a casual observer could be wrong





Jamie Quinlivian
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Hi Hayden.
It seems very strange and suspicious to me because the substance was not identified. In nearly every other case, including mine, the substance is identified long before the hearing. This gives plenty of time for casual observers to line up and take aim with the 'cheat' label.
So by deliberately leaving the substance unidentified, the ruling forces have fueled suspicion that it must be a very high level substance. Surely if it was cobalt or arsenic or an anti-inflam, the substance would have been identified.
I think it's only natural to speculate when there is an obvious cover up.
In regards to Marg Long, I don't think many people would read into that. It's the substance that the greyhound world will be speculating on.


Sam Watson
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

Hi Hayden.
It seems very strange and suspicious to me because the substance was not identified. In nearly every other case, including mine, the substance is identified long before the hearing. This gives plenty of time for casual observers to line up and take aim with the 'cheat' label.
So by deliberately leaving the substance unidentified, the ruling forces have fueled suspicion that it must be a very high level substance. Surely if it was cobalt or arsenic or an anti-inflam, the substance would have been identified.
I think it's only natural to speculate when there is an obvious cover up.
In regards to Marg Long, I don't think many people would read into that. It's the substance that the greyhound world will be speculating on.

Might be a few other suspects using similar substances so GRV want to keep a wrap on it till they might be able to ping them also? Not sure.. As you said they normally advise the substance.. But 2 of vics top trainers being pinged and substance held back must mean its serious. I hope for 1 if they did find something bad they rub them out well and truly


Charles W Mizzi
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charles w mizzi wrote:

Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!

Has anyone noticed that dates for hearings are jumbled up. So the appeal for the suspension (until the hearing for the unknown substance) is being heard tomorrow, no venue is nominated? How convenient, these hearings are open to the public unless otherwise advised. On purpose or not does not matter but the sooner GRV a made to be more transparent the better.

I don't hold much faith in the Integrity Commissioner of Victoria actually exposing what has happened since the Tooradin debacle. Remember Charlie Bazzina (Underbelly detective) was employed by GRV and did not last very long, I guess many trainers were not criminal enough, but he did disappear when all the video footage came about in all of those Lara Kennels. And didn't that evaporate. Nothing but question marks from the industry regulator!



Jason Caley
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First EPO... hope so!
Just sayin I dont know.

(It was a good rhyme though)

We now return you to your regular scheduled TV programming


Steve Bennie
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charles w mizzi wrote:

Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!

Any news on the hearing Charles.



Kevin Wright
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STEVE BENNIE wrote:

charles w mizzi wrote:

Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!

Any news on the hearing Charles.


This is the strange thing about these cases ...
Everyone else had they Name put up in lights telling everyone what drug was in the system on the GRV website
But with these two they have remained very silent to silent ...
The GRV are going gang busters trying to catch out the cheats
I believe the Drug positive only equate to less than .1% of the Industry Australia wide .Thats including Cobalt and arsenic fake positives...




Sam Watson
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Kevin Wright wrote:

STEVE BENNIE wrote:

charles w mizzi wrote:

Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!

Any news on the hearing Charles.


This is the strange thing about these cases ...
Everyone else had they Name put up in lights telling everyone what drug was in the system on the GRV website
But with these two they have remained very silent to silent ...
The GRV are going gang busters trying to catch out the cheats
I believe the Drug positive only equate to less than .1% of the Industry Australia wide .Thats including Cobalt and arsenic fake positives...

The amount of positives might only equate to 0.1% but we all know there's more than 0.1% that are cheating.

Once one product swabs they move to the next. Just round abouts. Always a new product to use.

If they take extra care this time to make sure they are rubbed out properly, then we are all better off for it. Sometimes things are better left unpublicised as much as we want them to be.



Kevin Wright
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Sam Watson wrote:

Kevin Wright wrote:

STEVE BENNIE wrote:

charles w mizzi wrote:

Follow the show, RADB hearing on Friday!

Any news on the hearing Charles.


This is the strange thing about these cases ...
Everyone else had they Name put up in lights telling everyone what drug was in the system on the GRV website
But with these two they have remained very silent to silent ...
The GRV are going gang busters trying to catch out the cheats
I believe the Drug positive only equate to less than .1% of the Industry Australia wide .Thats including Cobalt and arsenic fake positives...

The amount of positives might only equate to 0.1% but we all know there's more than 0.1% that are cheating.

Once one product swabs they move to the next. Just round abouts. Always a new product to use.

If they take extra care this time to make sure they are rubbed out properly, then we are all better off for it. Sometimes things are better left unpublicised as much as we want them to be.


Sam the shit hits the fan when some seem to get special treatment well above all of the other members ....WHY is this so ...Don't tell me the GRV are helping us all surely you are dreaming Sam .

Sam are Peptide hormones or protein hormones banned substances ...under the rules of racing ..



Matt Griffiths
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Yes peptides are illegal, but it wasn't peptides going off all the rumours



Kevin Wright
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Matt James wrote:

Yes peptides are illegal, but it wasn't peptides going off all the rumours

Never said it was Peptides but with the hundreds of different peptides out there today its impossible to test for every known marker is each peptide ....

I have no idea what they used but you would think by all of the Rumours flying about it must be something that carries a very high penalty or why would the silence remain from the GRV ...

All i know is that something smells from within and the more this is made public the more transparent the GRV has to be in regards to keeping if fare for all ..
What is good for one is good for all regardless of who Trains or owns these greyhounds ..

IMO i believe there is someone pulling the strings with the welfare or integrity department and i also believe this department is just some front for the puppet master to pull his strings and play the puppet game until such time he decides to retire and leave the puppet industry for someone else to fix ...or fuck it up again ..

The one that takes the cake is the Guy getting drunk and betting so he could be sacked from his job ..... shows how much integrity there really is even from within its rotten to the core still today in 2019 ......Its us and them mentality ..

Many good people who were part of the GRV are no longer there because they probably had a opinion that went against the puppet masters intellect or understanding .
Many who have spoken out have either left the industry or many were charged for positive swabs ..forcing them out .

I have reported cases going back years where many well knowns where let off with a slap on the wrist while others with the same charges were disqualified...



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