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Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Aug 2019 10:31
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A large increase has been endorsed and set to be in place on Sepetmber 1st this year targeting Australian greyhounds going to NZ for racing. The increase from $500 to $2,000 is prohibitive and the rationale for the incraese is simply not in place for such an incease to be justified. A number of trainers in NZ will be disadvantaged and encourage anyone to support our neigbouring friends any support that we can offer. The fee to send a dog is now around the $6,300 mark!!
$2,300 to jetpets for transport - approx $2,000 to GRNZ Visa fees $2,000 quartine/bloods etc to ensure clear for racing.
It seems we continue to be working against ourselves and need some stronger leadership across these bodies.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 04 Aug 2019 12:48
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Well unless N.Z. Trainers voice there disapproval loudly there won't be many Ozzy Imports arriving after September 1st.
Michael Peter Martin New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Aug 2019 21:32
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This may be bad for Oz trainers shifting their nonnies and groups trying to take advantage of a weaker playing field but it is good for NZ dog racing. The reliance on imports in NZ and the restrictive regulations on the breeders locally have resulted in a lopsided system that restricts an evolving system from ever becoming self supporting. Although NZ greyhounds have benefited with the Australian bloodlines this was possible without importing dogs to actually race here. To have a robust greyhound industry here that can sustain itself we have to separate from the reliance on imports. Any slowing down of the one way flow will stimulate the local industry. If that does not happen then NZ does not deserve to have it'd own industry, it may as well just be a subsidiary of Victoria. This thread goes against common sense in that there has been bleating on GD for some time about the lack of dogs racing in Aus with most meetings unable to cards. Yet you cry when you are discouraged for sending even more offshore. About the only benefit I can see for your industry in this pursuit is it takes a bit of pressure off your retirement program
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Aug 2019 22:19
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Restrictions on trade never work. Never. Not anywhere.
Just as bad are the VicBred etc races in Oz. They never promote breeding either except in the minds of the instigators.
If NZ is concerned about a lower standard of NZ dogs then the fix is to encourage more top racers across the ditch, not fewer.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 04 Aug 2019 22:20
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Michael Peter Martin wrote:
This may be bad for Oz trainers shifting their nonnies and groups trying to take advantage of a weaker playing field but it is good for NZ dog racing. The reliance on imports in NZ and the restrictive regulations on the breeders locally have resulted in a lopsided system that restricts an evolving system from ever becoming self supporting. Although NZ greyhounds have benefited with the Australian bloodlines this was possible without importing dogs to actually race here. To have a robust greyhound industry here that can sustain itself we have to separate from the reliance on imports. Any slowing down of the one way flow will stimulate the local industry. If that does not happen then NZ does not deserve to have it'd own industry, it may as well just be a subsidiary of Victoria. This thread goes against common sense in that there has been bleating on GD for some time about the lack of dogs racing in Aus with most meetings unable to cards. Yet you cry when you are discouraged for sending even more offshore. About the only benefit I can see for your industry in this pursuit is it takes a bit of pressure off your retirement program
Michael the solution here is to introduce the FOL
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 04 Aug 2019 22:26
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Interesting read Michael !!!!! Are you related to Donald Trump ? How strong do you honestly believe the N.Z. Greyhound Industry would be right now without Australian imports ? When i see all the Greyhound meetings being conducted and the number of Tracks in N.Z. do you honestly think there are enough N.Z. bred Greyhounds to keep the Ball rolling ?
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 04 Aug 2019 22:47
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Michael Peter Martin wrote:
This may be bad for Oz trainers shifting their nonnies and groups trying to take advantage of a weaker playing field but it is good for NZ dog racing. The reliance on imports in NZ and the restrictive regulations on the breeders locally have resulted in a lopsided system that restricts an evolving system from ever becoming self supporting. Although NZ greyhounds have benefited with the Australian bloodlines this was possible without importing dogs to actually race here. To have a robust greyhound industry here that can sustain itself we have to separate from the reliance on imports. Any slowing down of the one way flow will stimulate the local industry. If that does not happen then NZ does not deserve to have it'd own industry, it may as well just be a subsidiary of Victoria. This thread goes against common sense in that there has been bleating on GD for some time about the lack of dogs racing in Aus with most meetings unable to cards. Yet you cry when you are discouraged for sending even more offshore. About the only benefit I can see for your industry in this pursuit is it takes a bit of pressure off your retirement program
95% of them are getting sent there due to them not chasing in Oz. Not going over there for better prize money, its simply, they are either going to pull up or stop chasing here.. so in order to get some longevity into the dog NZ is their only option.
Those dogs if they stayed in oz, most likely aren't going to bolster our fields.. they're going to be retired out of the system for not chasing.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 04 Aug 2019 22:50
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Mark Staines wrote:
Interesting read Michael !!!!! Are you related to Donald Trump ? How strong do you honestly believe the N.Z. Greyhound Industry would be right now without Australian imports ? When i see all the Greyhound meetings being conducted and the number of Tracks in N.Z. do you honestly think there are enough N.Z. bred Greyhounds to keep the Ball rolling ?
Mark
I think that is his point.
They should be using imported sires and their own top dogs to their better bitches to breed more homegrown dogs and upgrade their lines at the same time, so they can be self sufficient.
I don't agree with the $2,000 import fee if the dog from Australia is going over for a big race and coming home, perhaps they just need a visa for 1-2 months.
Also don't agree where a retired dog may go over to NZ from Australia to stand at stud permanently i.e. stud dog or broodbitch
All it means is that an Aussie dog going over for breeding purposes
1. have their papers as not being able to race and
2. they have to be a registered stud dog or a bitch has to have an active pink card from here to signify their breeding status
Michael, your authorities really need to re-visit the application some of those rules, they are archaic
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 04 Aug 2019 23:11
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Sandro how many Litters are bred per year in N.Z. ??? They have not attempted to become "self sufficient" !!!!
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 05 Aug 2019 00:12
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Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro how many Litters are bred per year in N.Z. ??? They have not attempted to become "self sufficient" !!!!
All I know is about 20 dogs per month are allowed to be imported in, so thats about 240 per annum, so on average to fill that void they would need to breed about 40-60 litters
Michael Peter Martin New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Aug 2019 01:15
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In answer to your comment on the non chasers Sandro of course I agree. It would assist both industries
As for the amount of pups being bred in NZ , it's the chicken or the egg syndrome. Not that long ago there was far more litters being whelped but that number started to drop long before the restrictions , simply because it was easier to just access a dog ready to go from Aus, and presumably a better type. That not only made it harder for the NZ breeder to sell pups but also flooded our broodbitch ranks with more squiby types because those types were not valued in Aus. Would we be able to breed enough dogs without them? What is enough ? if we were able to import another 50 per week maybe the TAB could incorporate more dog racing in their wallpaper daily coverage and the maiden trot from Mt Isa will miss out.
The right amount is the amount of races the local industry can provide. That is more likely to be reflected in how many we can rehome.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Aug 2019 02:14
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What you are advocating for is a restriction of trade between allies !!!!! Gee how much "MONEY" has the N.Z. Thoroughbred and Standardbred industries made from exporting Horses to Australia ????
Nothing worse than a "HYPOCRITE" !!!!!
Gregory Norman Pomeroy New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 15 Dogs 1 / Races 0 05 Aug 2019 07:03
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Sandro as I understand the fee will be refunded if a dog is returned to Austalia so it shouldnt stop Aussie dogs coming over for a certain race.Imported bitches in the past have certainly improved our bloodlines which I have been fortunate to have breed some handy dogs.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 05 Aug 2019 08:33
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How much to export a thoroughbred to NZ?
And you can still export a thoroughbred to China.
So the authorities have to start asking on participants behalf...why the double standards with our major competitors.
Am I missing something?
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 05 Aug 2019 08:49
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Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro how many Litters are bred per year in N.Z. ???
Which equals LESS than 1000 pups per year, every year...AT BEST.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 05 Aug 2019 09:33
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Gregory Norman Pomeroy wrote:
Sandro as I understand the fee will be refunded if a dog is returned to Austalia so it shouldnt stop Aussie dogs coming over for a certain race.Imported bitches in the past have certainly improved our bloodlines which I have been fortunate to have breed some handy dogs.
I understand that Greg, but its about $5k upfront you have to spend to get it there...personally its starting to look like Trump's trade tariffs
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 05 Aug 2019 10:29
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Clearly this required more thought and a phased approach - knee jerk reaction without a plan will not work and crazy taxes will do nothing to help the NZ greyhound industry.
Breeding will take at least 2 years to begin helping shape NZ bred pups to the track , this initiative is about as well thought out as the NSW ban on racing which basically cost them all their roles + the orange by election
Michael Peter Martin New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 Aug 2019 21:08
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steven martin wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro how many Litters are bred per year in N.Z. ???
Which equals LESS than 1000 pups per year, every year...AT BEST.
Steve,
I look at the industry being sustainable in both countries uncle,
if we cannot breed enough dogs in NZ to sustain the industry we probably do not deserve to have an industry, If you cannot get enough dogs to fill your fields because you do not give them enough initiative and send many of the results of that over here then you may well fit in the same category one day .
Mr Pomeroy who commented above is good example of a successful breeder rearer trainer in NZ who has abandoned that pursuit to instead support the Australian industry. It has become an easy alternative to many NZ trainers and makes our industry unsustainable.
Maybe it is a good idea to remove all tariffs and just make us a final destination for the flotsam from your industry.
We could call it the hardrock caf of greyhound racing. The place that no one ever leaves
Stephen Paul Clark New Zealand (Verified User) Posts 41 Dogs 1 / Races 0 05 Aug 2019 21:57
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Gregory Norman Pomeroy wrote:
Sandro as I understand the fee will be refunded if a dog is returned to Austalia so it shouldnt stop Aussie dogs coming over for a certain race.Imported bitches in the past have certainly improved our bloodlines which I have been fortunate to have breed some handy dogs.
To be fair i don't believe it has been looked into properly by our board in nz...there should have been put in place different scenario's....for example bring a brood bitch over for the purpose of breeding should not incure a fee...neither should a highly preformed dog with no convictions...a fee should be charged for dogs with 2 tickets a smaller fee for dogs with 1 ticket....also pups under 6 months of age should have no fee because here in nz you struggle to buy well bred pups..being forced into breeding crap is no solution as more dogs will end up in gap than before as we have no infrastructure to rear and break in pups ...
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4497 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Aug 2019 22:32
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Michael Peter Martin wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Sandro how many Litters are bred per year in N.Z. ???
Which equals LESS than 1000 pups per year, every year...AT BEST.
Steve,
I look at the industry being sustainable in both countries uncle,
if we cannot breed enough dogs in NZ to sustain the industry we probably do not deserve to have an industry, If you cannot get enough dogs to fill your fields because you do not give them enough initiative and send many of the results of that over here then you may well fit in the same category one day .
Mr Pomeroy who commented above is good example of a successful breeder rearer trainer in NZ who has abandoned that pursuit to instead support the Australian industry. It has become an easy alternative to many NZ trainers and makes our industry unsustainable.
Maybe it is a good idea to remove all tariffs and just make us a final destination for the flotsam from your industry.
We could call it the hardrock caf of greyhound racing. The place that no one ever leaves
Australian Greyhounds are better that's why smart N.Z. Trainers want them. "Build a Bridge and get over it" !!!!
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