It is BMR, not BRM.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I have a related question and I am not too sure of the answer - at least not unless the dog is racing over the 700s.

It is the normal practice to race a dog weekly on the ground that it cannot earn any money sitting in the kennel. Injuries aside, most dogs do this but is it a good idea to continue that way for months on end?

Various things prompt my question. Horses are seldom asked to do it. Human athletes are wary of it. Football teams welcome a week off mid-season and they hate a short week otherwise. Steve Smith said he was mentally stuffed after the Ashes campaign.

We then have to ask if a mid season holiday would be good for a dog. That is, would it increase the potential to win money if it had the occasional break?

You have no knowledge on this subject? ASTOUNDING
Your now comparing the Racing Greyhound to Human Athletes? (Football teams) (Steve Smith's mentality?)

Comparing Thoroughbreds/Standard Breeds to Greyhounds, is like comparing Grapes to Watermelons.

Now Bruce the McHugh Report stated the average racing career of a Greyhound was about 8 months! TRUE? Or was that Life expectancy?
I'm sure you would have that on file!

You annoy and Irk almost everyone on Greyhound Data!
"Is it a good idea to continue that way for months on end"? FOR FREE......No Cigar for the Writer today

He may also, have seen "Pain Killers" injected!
If he bothered to read Newspapers other than the SMH. He would see players in trouble with Drug scandals aplenty. Both Illicit and Prescription drugs.

Must rely on "Meals on Wheels" to survive! No one can identify him!
Yet we are to believe he frequents tracks all up the East Coast.

Got to be at least 120 yrs old, if we can believe all the things he's achieved.

if you or anyone spots Bruce up on the East Coast please let him know he has a Hat and Shirt coming in the mail with the GD logo..And a Gold Membership for a lifetime ....

what does this mean....that you're born lazy ?
wldn't it be easier to just try to understand it ?

Bruce Teague wrote:

It is the normal practice to race a dog weekly on the ground that it cannot earn any money sitting in the kennel. Injuries aside, most dogs do this but is it a good idea to continue that way for months on end?

I don't know why Bruce goes off on a tangent with his analogies, but if you put that aside its a valid question, I think.

It's better for turnover than it is for the dog or at least that's how it looks from the outside, he's just questioning if you wldn't get just as good or even a better result letting the dog arguably fully recover. That's it.

If you don't want to be bothered answering it, just let it go thru to the keeper, however it is a forum.....neither party shld be feeling pressure, aggrieved or feeling the need to hang it on each other....in my view anyway.

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From a Bloke who has STUDIED Greyhound Racing, and BETTING trends for MANY years? Who has WATCHED literally 100's & 1,000 thousands of races?

NO RHYNO! He's taking the P*#S.
Do you understand that there are many many races over 300+400mtrs?
You Clock sections! Just like the other Bloke. 300m = 17sec
400m = 23+ sec. Can a dog repeat that more than once a week????

Gee I hope you and the other bloke don't need to traverse a set of stairs, more than ONCE a week. Or push a wheelbarrow.

I am GUESSING (Can't tell what he is thinking)but believe, that it will be quickly turned around into an Animal Welfare Issue?
Why doesn't anyone else REPLY back to him? Why is that Rhyno?

So far I have seen no responses to that, so I am none the wiser and have to rely solely on general observations.

One is that I have noted the odd trainer put his dogs around 99 out of 100 times over the same track and distance on a weekly basis or more often, never getting close to running a place. I can only guess at what the dogs think about that.

Allied to that is a practice of loading the trailer up to the hilt with dogs with little hope but which return attendance money on a per dog basis. One state actually changed its rules to stop that happening so much.

Another factor is that trialling varies from one trainer to the next as do their general training methods.

I will comment on one point which is actually off topic. Any McHugh numbers are suspect as they mostly rely on poorly worded and badly researched statements from an incompetent GA. However, my estimate would be that an 8 months career average is a bit light on. But anything in that area has to divided up into injured dogs (etc) and others to make any sense of it. This also touches on my strong support for more Veterans racing, which could take many well past, say, a normal two year racing time scale.

So there are a lot of ingredients in the recipe, some of which are known, some not so much.

Either way, everything is now an "Animal Welfare issue". If not today, then tomorrow. Get used to it.

Apart from many many other industry-wound-inflicting-subjects Bruce Teague has mentioned since landing in the GD nest and lining it with faeces are these...
Try to read them as if you were an outsider, God forbid, even an anti-racing enthusiast.
I'll try to diffuse some of them in case some of the above are reading...and they ARE.

1. The inference dogs can't stand up to once a week racing for more than a few months.
Dogs are not horses, football players, or cricket captains who are out in the beating sun 4 or 5 days in a row x 3, subjected to media scrutiny, or have the pressure of expectation from a whole nation!?!?!
One quick little glance at almost ANY racing dog's form will highlight they actually DO have let ups for various reasons eg: minor injuries, trainer's decision, bitches-seasons, etc etc.

2. Stayers - no 7 day heats/finals - BANNED.

3. Proposed Greyhound Breeding Royal Commission style inquiry.

4. The continual trumpeting of WDA's report that lacked comprehensive studies but still proposed/complied GRNSW's ban of rewarding dogs with schmakos.
Along with totally unrealistic conditions from a reknown anti racing activist.

5. Live baiting mentioned 190,654 times.
Not to mention his endorsements of food as reward unthinkable because he has labelled schmakos and such as "Live-bating derivatives".

6. Fewer short races.
Race cards cannot be filled as it is.
Let's get rid of many short races and only have Greyhound races 3 times a week and watch the industry fold.

7. Submissions on behalf of the whole industry.(whether it likes it or not)
Judging by the rubbish posted on GD, I pray that the ptb keep ignoring his ideas.
No-one has the right, besides those who are delegated, to speak on behalf of ANYONE, let alone someone who is not part of the industry itself.
Freedom of speech doesn't come into it.

8. Continually questioning the integrity of dogs, trainers, and the industry.
Some may think this fair and maybe they are right, but doing it on the WWW is fraught with danger and easily used against us by others. Think about it.
He proudly boasts Grey2k quoting him (inserting misrepresentation) as part of his " credits".
Its a great example of irresponsible writing, at great expense to the industry.

9. The biggest one for me...
We all get a bit passionate sometimes and that can lead to a bit of slanging, a dig, even downright insults...all born from passion.
Mr. Teague however, seemed to think it fair play to slur and defame participants at random.
The latest being the most blatant attempt of defamation on Terry Jordan.
Not only is defaming, it is libelous and a pathetic low act.
There is no justication in the world to attack like that.
Does GD now sanction accusations like that?
TJ is a very forgiving man, much much more than me.
The only response to this joke was from Ryan and Kev and they were only limp sticks.
Does thus now pave the way for him to totally destroy someone?
What if some lunatic read that and started stalking TJ and harassing him and his family...what if something serious happens out of this?
Can't happen?
It DOES!!!
I think admin need to really have a hard look at what's going on and ask themselves is this a good thing.

Some get what's going on, some don't.
Give it some thought as the above are facts.

Bruce is a scorned writer and failed businessman who blames progress and competition for his demise.
The only thing left is to write anything that is void of responsibility...apart from pruning his award winning roses and bonsai... Oh, and keeping an eye on neighbours via his CCTV monitors in his spare room...no room for a Grey there.

You have all read it here in bucket loads.
The day of reckoning will come.

The most profound statement anyone has ever written on the forums history comes from Simon Moore.
"Ignore"
Do what Simon says...Simon days ignore.
It's the healthiest thing you can do for yourselves and the industry.
Simon's a smart man.

There will be no response to your return diatribe, Bruce.
You are officially ignored.

Tally ho Sinclair.

Australian racing is in decline and suffering from the whims of changing governments, banned clubs, splintered leadership, retiring/aging trainers, poor tracks, a massive shortage of dogs, a continuing lack of breed stamina, domination by rip-off betting houses, public opposition, amateurish decision-making and is reliant on cash from mug gamblers for survival. Its biggest breeder has a corporate policy of halving his output despite his previous high profitability.

GAP programs have been modest but well worthwhile. So, too, for whole of life tracking. Welfare changes have partially stemmed the tide but have probably been overdone.

The initial Million dollar race was a great deal but was devised as a pre-election treat by a Minister who spoke and voted in favour of banning the industry.

Never mind. Just don't ask questions. She'll be right.

I agree with your sentiments regarding Bruce .
Bruce does post some stuff that is tipping on the edge of Anti Racing at times but i do think he is smart enough to understand what makes people react and the style of his posts are always open ended and can never end regardless of the answers you give ...

GD is a free public Forum that welcomes debates.Discussions Topics of Interest General Greyhound news from around the World .

GD cannot ban people because of different Views and opinions and i would of been banned long ago if this was the case.

Bruce did hit Terry in the nuts with a low blow but Terry let it slide to the keeper and so should we all.

I think you guys have the right idea .
.Don't comment
Dont read it
Don't give him the pleasure of seeing you pissed off because he does like it when he controls the court .
PS
MG ...... I always make sure i use Bruce as the butt of my Jokes .It always helps to have a good laugh at ourselves and our mates .