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John Spracklen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 504 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Dec 2019 21:22
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Yes David, some tracks are under threat of closure, why? because the government is considering withdrawing funding, why? public opinion, why? welfare incidents like this topic. Long time sponsers are withdrawing sponsorship, why? same reasons. Thats all I am going to say on this subject, I know what I am talking about, I have raced greyhounds for sixty years, you are determined to disagree with me but your viewpoint will only hasten the demise of our sport.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2019 21:22
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The initial problem is that the greyhounds are being exported to a country that has a history of poor animal welfare standards
The rot is already there, the people who transport these dogs are part of the same problem
The owners have a responsibility to know where their dog is going to end up
If they know it is going to Spain then they should be charged as well.
If the IGB or whoever issues passports to greyhounds should also be taken to task if they are aware of these greyhounds going to counties with low animal welfare standards
We are no longer able to export dogs to some countries. It stops the rort.
If the procedures are in place to look after the situation then it should't happen
Do any of you travel with food and water constantly avaliable too your dogs. all my dogs eat their food within seconds.
Pat Scully Ireland (Verified User) Posts 28 Dogs 0 / Races 0 18 Dec 2019 22:43
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One question is it possible some or all of these dogs were purchased at a sale or sales. if so does the seller have to check who bought the dogs. No.
Dick Ciampa USA (Team Member) Posts 798 Dogs 15458 / Races 3395 18 Dec 2019 23:36
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Watching this play out from the U.S. I will say a couple of things. Whenever I see any SPCA come out with a story it is a red flag for me.
The MSPCA, M for Massachusetts, was one of the main organizations working with Grey2K to end racing in Massachusetts in 2008. The ASPCA, A for American, lost its way decades ago when they went from doing mainly work protecting animals to the more lucrative lobbying work.
I did a little checking and while it wasn't a lot of money the HSUS donated money to the DSPCA in 1984, then I don't have any records till the 2000's and they donated again in 2001.
While no dog or animal should be transported like that I don't see in the original story on this thread and another I found online who were the owners were at the time of arranging transport.
I have never shipped a dog out of the country, but when all I see is information stating what counties the dogs were from, but not the owners name it makes me skeptical of what exactly is going on.
Both stories I saw said the dogs had no water, but there are clearly bowls for water. Whether there is water in the bowls, no water because the dogs drank it or there never was water is a question in my mind that needs to be answered.
I also noticed in the story that the DSPCA, like all AR groups said this:
The continuing grant of 16.8 million of taxpayers money is no longer acceptable, said DSPCA chief executive Brian Gillen, who also called on the Government to withdraw all funding allocated to the industry by the State.
So they, like G2K always does, condemns a whole industry on a story that all the facts aren't known.
I am always okay with punishing the guilty party, but do we know who the guilty parties are yet?
Since I don't know a lot about racing over there I ask this question, is it logical that 12 dogs from four different counties were brought together for one shipment to Spain? Wouldn't you have to know with the paperwork in place that someone was going to see the dogs?
For me I will wait and see what facts are found out before I pass judgement.
Just my 2 cents.
Edward Fisher Ireland (Verified User) Posts 33 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 07:32
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Why cant they just amend the way change of ownership is done. Make it that the paperwork is processed before the dog moves. The way it is now I can sell a dog to someone who seems genuine, who can sell it on to anyone, anywhere while still remaining in my name if they dont send in the paperwork. Like it was said earlier you cant pick and choose the buyer at a public auction. Spain is in the eu, where there is free trade. If this was the way change of ownership was done we would be talking about 12 dogs in 1 owners name who could be held accountable for the transport conditions, instead of 12 potentially innocent peoples names being blackened.
Despite differences of opinions, this has happened, and is certainly not looking good for us. The questions have to be answered. Who owned the 12 twelve greyhounds. Were they all or some purchased at Thurles sales as someone has suggested which was held on Saturday 30th November. Where did they go from there as 3 weeks had elapsed since they were stopped by Customs at Dublin Port Saturday 21st December. Were the 12 held in one particular persons kennels until the 21st, which according to reports the pickup was a facility in Tipperary. The person or persons holding these dogs are accountable as they saw the state of the transport and I would assume knew full well the fate of them. Also, yes there was a bowl in the cages which was too small for the dogs to get into because of the muzzles. While is is not illegal to send dogs to Spain it does not have an Animal Welfare Law in force. It really should be that the European Parliament make it, that every European Country has to have this law enforced, if not it would be illegal to send live animals to these countries. It really does not do any good for certain people to come on here with their toxic comments this has happened and needs to addressed urgently and the people responsible made accountable. People that think it is ok to send dogs to these countries quite frankly do not have any conscious whatsoever.
John Spracklen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 504 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 11:22
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Haven't always agreed with you in the past Carole but in this instance you are right on the button. Don't understand Yvonne's post at all.
Sorry should have said where did they go from there as 2 weeks had elapsed since they were stopped by Customs at Dublin Port on Saturday 14th December.
Spoke recently with someone who is involved in Spain with the rescue of greyhounds and galgos. The person said that they wish to hell people from Ireland and the UK would stop exported their unwanted greyhounds to Spain. The life they get in Spain is not fit for a human they are usually kept in groups in concrete bunkers so they will not get stolen by the gypsies. Their life span includes 3 maybe 4 hunts (the hunting season starts in October and end in February) because that is what they are used for, then they are regarded as useless or in some cases used for breeding, and if not, thrown down wells where they can't be discovered or abandoned with broken bones and various other health problems This mainly happens in rural areas where residents are afraid to say anything because of reprisals. The government do nothing because most of them agree with hunting.
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 15:07
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Dave Cunningham wrote:
David Ryan wrote:
John the people you are buying your dogs from are selling them "right" so if everyone did it your way you wouldn't have anyone to buy from your contradicting yourself without realizing it...and if you don't know the facts your not in a position to make such remarks the industry has enough going on with the closure of tracks ect with out our own people turning on each other...
{with out our own people turning on each other...} But it is ok for you to slate others by calling them traitors and using fowl abusive language towards others, you are a nut case man you might well be my neighbor but a total nut Job, you are causing more damage than anyone. Use your proper Name PD,BL, BC.FA.
Dave have you noticed no one has replied to your comment..since when did you become are own...are own don't support Tony Walsh and the reason I called him a traitor is because that is exactly what he is he took part in the RTE program and hung the industry out to dry he then sent good hard working greyhound people that had raised money to help tracks survive a solicitors letter demanding they hand over the money so sorry to burst your bubble but what I said was the truth and just to inform you that you can't set up a greyhound data account without photo id..as the song goes...so I am who ever I say I am if I wasn't then why would I say I am in the papers the news every day I am RTE won't even play my jam :-) x
David you are totally going away from what the thread is all about the 12 greyhounds seized at Dublin Port by Customs last Saturday. Please stick to the point, stop making it personal. That also goes for anyone else our sport is in enough trouble without personal vendettas, whats in the past cannot be changed.
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 18:16
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:
David you are totally going away from what the thread is all about the 12 greyhounds seized at Dublin Port by Customs last Saturday. Please stick to the point, stop making it personal. That also goes for anyone else our sport is in enough trouble without personal vendettas, whats in the past cannot be changed.
Carole you are correct but read the post Mrs Cunningham came at me I simply replied
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 20:38
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Jesus your sad i see you are now agreeing with yourself.
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Dec 2019 21:00
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Thank you Dave now toddle along like a good man :-)
I have now virtually given up racing not having raced since June 2018 and just look after my retired greyhounds and some that never wanted to be racing dogs in the first place. My main reason for giving up is that I have no confidence in the ability of the IGB to regulate the sport. The fat cats at the IGB enjoy fabulous salaries, expensive company cars, expense accounts and pensions all financed by 16.8 million of taxpayers money. They recently spent 125,000 on a financial report which recommended closing 4 tracks but there was no mention of saving money by redundancies at HO. They boast about spending 400,000 on a testing machine but that is just one machine. If all the big tracks had a testing machine the paying public might have more confidence in the honesty of racing. As it stands well-known public trainers are allowed to continue racing even after their dogs have failed tests. Now we have the port authority finding dogs being exported to Spain under less than perfect conditions. Another nail in the coffin of greyhound racing. It begs the question how many dogs have been previously exported without being picked up by the port authority. Of course it's not possible for anyone from the IGB to have noticed what happens to these dogs before they get to the port. Presumably the so called welfare officers just turn a blind eye. Surely it's possible for the IGB to monitor all dogs entered into auction sales and root out the people that just see greyhounds as money making commodities. It really can't be that hard. In the meantime we will just wait for greyhound racing to be closed down.
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