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Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jan 2020 09:22
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Hi Lar, it was a great turnout last night by all accounts , great to see that there are still enough greyhound owners involved who are willing to try and save what is left of our decimated industry. At a meeting in Thurles on Monday night Deputy Alan Kelly {Labor} was the only one who called a spade a spade by stating that the IGB board have to go, they are not fit for purpose any longer. In my honest opinion i think he is 100% correct and if all remaining greyhound owners and breeders do not unite and look to have this board removed NOW we will be left with very little and people will have to travel many miles and spend hours on the road and bear the cost of way more Fuel which is on the increase traveling to what ever tracks are left. We have watched the Farmers on many occasions gather in Dublin to voice their concerns over serious issues within their Industry, now is the time for the Greyhound People of Ireland to Join together like the farmers and put all other issues to one side and do what is right for the Greyhound Industry and not their own hidden agendas before we all become the ones who lose again,JMHO.
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jan 2020 19:14
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I agree with you Dave you said it correctly this is about trying to save our tracks and helping the people within our industry it doesn't matter how we do it as long as we all stick together and make an effort much needed fundraiser ect is always welcome to help the struggling tracks 2020 were going to need to continue this type of support..it was great to see Alan Kelly sit down and have a meeting with the IGOBF and go through the challenges our industry face, we have a long road a head of us a lot of work needs to be done but we need to support each other in every possible way to get the job done!
Enniscorthy your doing a fantastic job and i wish you guys all the success in the world and I truly hope you guys keep your Stadium open and the future of this industry alive,
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jan 2020 20:54
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Just after receiving this from someone who was at that meeting, if this is the sort of rubbish and nonsense that is being spoken about at public meetings i suggest you all stop what your doing because your causing more harm to this industry than the IGB. PS the last meeting Deputy Kelly had with the Federation was last year when we were all invited up to leinster house he had no meeting with the IGOBF CLG last night.
From meeting last night Padjoe and Co now think Board have to go, plan is to give money to 3 tracks but they need to unite so no track will close. Also plan a big meeting when Coursing is on and to pressurize politicians coming up to election. Padjoe spoke of CLG and how they were getting dirty and very personal and generally being a nuisance said CLG still had senate nominations but also said they had made up GOBAs.
Carry on going down this route and you wont be going to far. Whoever holds the senate nominations holds the trump card and are the only recognized Federation so accept it.
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 16 Jan 2020 22:42
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Dave I tought you wanted to cast our differences aside...quote...now is the time for the Greyhound People of Ireland to Join together like the farmers and put all other issues to one side and do what is right for the Greyhound Industry and not their own hidden agendas before we all become the ones who lose again,
This is about enniscorthy Dave not you and your group I wasn't going to say anything as I truly thought you wanted to help! Dave your Group are not welcome on any discussion thread or topic regarding the Greyhound Industry! The Greyhound people don't want anything to do with the RTE Rat Pack get that into your head, and how in the name of God do you and your group think greyhound people will forget the damage your group caused to the industry on that RTE program and here you are again deliberately spilling out info that went on in our meeting knowing that the antis ect are watching everything; Your a total asshole and no good for this industry at all.. their some great people doing their best for this industry with no thanks people I consider the absolute salt of the earth and no matter what rubbish you spill out of your gob these are the people the industry recognize so you can shove the Senate where the sun don't shine we are greyhound people not politicians.
Brian Walsh (Verified User) Posts 104 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jan 2020 00:23
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Quote: '........ and here you are again deliberately spilling out info that went on in our meeting knowing that the antis ect are watching everything....'
Puzzled by the remark above; I understand the hatred and vitriol the two Daves are spewing at each other but what was said in the mentioned meeting that could give fuel to the 'antis'? If there's something being mentioned in meetings that you're worried about the 'antis' hearing, then it has no business being thought of or spoken of. There is nothing to hide!!!!!
If greyhound racing has any hope, transparency is a keystone !!
David Ryan Ireland (Verified User) Posts 50 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jan 2020 08:23
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Sorry Brian but what's said at any greyhound meeting in regards to saving our tracks or anything in my opinion certainly should not be shared with the antis regardless of how innocent it is have you seen the RTE program are you aware of the online abuse the people involved in the industry are getting iv seen first hand how they twist things and I'm sure the majority of the Greyhound people Know what I'm talking about..if Dave was that interested in the meeting he should have attended it their he could have voiced his opinion instead of sending in a spy so he could lambast it online as Dave said and I agreed we need to stick together...and that carry on out of him is anything but sticking together.
Maurice Organ Ireland (Verified User) Posts 74 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jan 2020 12:15
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Now Dave I thought you were finished with this bickering and slagging on GD. It just goes to show how low you and your buddies in the CLG will go sending in a spy to a meeting to report back to you it was an open meeting for tipperary greyhound people called by the real Tipperary Goba I'm not sure where your from Dave but nobody was asked who they were or where they were from we took it on trust that everyone there was there for the good the greyhound industry but it looks like not everyone was. Ye say that the IGOBF CLG represents the greyhound people and would it be true to say Dave that your group were told to stay away from the meeting at eniscorthy track a few weeks back and is it true Dave that ye were told to take down the minutes of the meeting held in youghal greyhound track from ye're website, so who are ye representing Dave as from what I can see nobody seems to want anything to do with ye and as far as the nominations for the Senate goes all they are recognising is an address not the actual group associated to that address so now Dave i say to you again if you're not going to help the situation don't do anything at all .
Brian Walsh (Verified User) Posts 104 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Jan 2020 20:29
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David Ryan wrote:
Sorry Brian but what's said at any greyhound meeting in regards to saving our tracks or anything in my opinion certainly should not be shared with the antis regardless of how innocent it is have you seen the RTE program are you aware of the online abuse the people involved in the industry are getting iv seen first hand how they twist things and I'm sure the majority of the Greyhound people Know what I'm talking about..if Dave was that interested in the meeting he should have attended it their he could have voiced his opinion instead of sending in a spy so he could lambast it online as Dave said and I agreed we need to stick together...and that carry on out of him is anything but sticking together.
Dave, You've made very valid points there re the antis twisting things but unfortunately I think that is also the case with most things, e.g., Hospital trolley numbers (HSE & INMO have different figures and different methods for getting those figures), Homeless numbers and also housing completions (different charities, political parties and government agencies have different figures and again, down to different methodologies) and one I fear the most, the 'anti-vaxxers'. The anti-vaxxers try and twist science and look at the following they have! The developed world (Ireland, Europe, USA, etc) is seeing disease outbreaks now that can simply be put down to people believing the anti-vaxxers and not getting their children vaccinated; so I'm only too aware how people can twist things. My blood boiled when I listened to the vet on the RTE Investigates programme spew out the lie about seeing greyhounds who had blood like treacle because they were doped up to their eyes with EPO: A Lie on national television. And he got away with it! That's the world we live in unfortunately.
However, I don't believe any of the above examples are an excuse to ignore transparency. Hiding, being covert, furtive or secret just plays into the antis' hands! That would be the behaviour of a communist state board from the 80s!! Or maybe a board closer to home.... One could argue that the IGB have twisted plenty of things as good as the antis!! Harolds Cross closing being a major example. There were to be no more closures after HX. Also, if the IGB hadn't tried to bury/hide the Preferred Results report but rather question the findings and the methodologies used to come up with the figures mentioned, there may have never been a RTE Investigates programme....But no, lets hide it and hope no one ever finds it.....That did a lot of good!!
The industry is in dire straights. The last Indecon report was bought to rubber stamp the closing of stadia; not just Enniscorthy, Longford, Youghal and Lifford but also the ones that will be named in 2022. And politicians will tell you what you want to hear now as they want votes; they'll do plenty of twisting.... We need more people going greyhound racing, more people going for dinner in the restaurants, more people putting there two euro on their favourite dog and more people having a drink at the bar. SIS will not and can not save the industry. Yes, it can help but it is not a saviour by any stretch of the imagination (in my view). We need bums on seats. And we won't get them back unless we're squeaky clean and transparency is key to that. The antis will always be there, twisting away, spreading their lies. We can't stop that. But we can win people back with transparency. We both want a thriving greyhound industry with no track closures. I've just got a belief that transparency is vital to that. Apologies for hijacking the thread with the 'transparency' side note but it seemed to have already been well and truly hijacked by the two IGOBFs!
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