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The Shelbourne 6 were in High Court to get the injunction against them demonstrating outside Shelbourne greyhound track lifted. Unfortunately it was lifted, so they will now be up to their old tricks on Saturday outside Shelbourne ranting at people as they go in. It seems we are the easiest of targets for them, while other much more serious animal cruelty is going on, take for instance the horrors in Spain what the hunters do to their dogs when they are deemed no longer worthy.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 30 Jan 2020 04:40
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:
The Shelbourne 6 were in High Court to get the injunction against them demonstrating outside Shelbourne greyhound track lifted. Unfortunately it was lifted, so they will now be up to their old tricks on Saturday outside Shelbourne ranting at people as they go in. It seems we are the easiest of targets for them, while other much more serious animal cruelty is going on, take for instance the horrors in Spain what the hunters do to their dogs when they are deemed no longer worthy.
That is just unbelievable that a High Court would allow a group of ramshackle no hopers create a ruckus outside a sporting venue.
John Spracklen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 504 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 09:23
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I believe its called the 'Woke' culture, its infiltrating and contaminating all walks of society and will eventually bring us all down.
Vincent J Lund United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 600 Dogs 23 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 13:11
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John Spracklen wrote:
I believe its called the 'Woke' culture, its infiltrating and contaminating all walks of society and will eventually bring us all down.
And there's me thinking it was the Ides Of March woe woe and thrice woe beware the Ides Of March . Unless I am mixing people up with the Old sooth sayer lady in Up Pompei. EXTERNAL LINK
Surely the real answer is not to blame the courts but for the IGB to demonstrate to the general public that it has the welfare of the greyhounds at heart starting by issuing lengthy bans to trainers that use illegal substances and that every dog that races will be looked after all it's life regardless of it's success on the track. I had the experience of one of mine breaking a hock in a race. The first words of the track vet who I had never met before asked me if I wanted to have the dog put down. It was obvious that it was the normal thing to do at that track. I took the bitch to my own vet and paid 660 for her treatment. She has fully recovered but won't race again and is still with me as a lovely pet. With the attitude of this and other track vets as well as the management that tolerate this behaviour can you really blame some people for hating greyhound racing. The only way that demonstraters can be stopped is if the IGB cleans up it's act and uses the16 million of taxpayers money to get rid of the time finding and drug using cheats with real punishments which can only mean banning the transgressors from the sport.
John Spracklen United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 504 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Jan 2020 20:10
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Your dogs will never be 'time-finders' I'll vouch for that Clive.
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Dave Cunningham Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2081 Dogs 0 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 17:59
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Geoff Bateman wrote:
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Sorry Geoff but you are totally wrong, the 16.8 million comes from the government funding and not a betting levy, what is bet on racing is very very small and would not support any organisation.
Martin James Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1128 Dogs 5 / Races 0 31 Jan 2020 19:58
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Put a tenner diesel in your van to drive to/from the track the government gets 6 Euro tax from that dog person for that single outing. Thats only the start of it.
The dog game generates a very substantial return for the government when every aspect is included.There is a figure somewhere, i think i read 300 Million mentioned.
Squandering tax payers money..... what a load of crap.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 31 Jan 2020 21:06
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Geoff Bateman wrote:
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Irrespective of where the money comes from, there has to be a welfare fund set up to cover such costs of major injuries so dogs are not put down willy nilly and can be saved for rehoming or future racing.
The problem you have is that the government needs to raise taxes on gambling with bookmakers to fund these sorts of initiatives i.e. user pays, as it stands they are the major beneficiary of the sport through their books, it certainly wouldn't be the average participant.
Taking Clive's example, I see him as an average participant, has his dogs at home and takes good care of them and feels for them when they get hurt. For him, they aren't throw away commodities and I would over 90% of the people in the sport worldwide are clones of him.
This is where our governments all around the world in this sport need to get with the program and protect the sport by protecting the dogs and the people who care for them.
If that's gone, then the sport has already got one leg out of the window.
We have addressed these issues very seriously in Australia and it is a much better environment than it ever was for the dog and the average trainer, but we still need to do a lot more with the rehoming situation here.
These people will never stop coming at us, at best, we need to better than them to keep them at bay.
Give them any opportunity to lobby the government to close the sport and they make ground.
The trick is not to give them the opportunity and to show the government and the general public what we are about
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Sorry Geoff but you are totally wrong, the 16.8 million comes from the government funding and not a betting levy, what is bet on racing is very very small and would not support any organisation.
I think this covers the money given back for Greyhounds.
In Budget 2019, Minister Donohoe raised gambling duty from 1% of turnover to 2%. Under the 1% rate, the government collected just over 50 million a year, with this expected to double to 100 million with the rate increase.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 31 Jan 2020 22:03
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Niall Healy wrote:
Dave Cunningham wrote:
Geoff Bateman wrote:
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Sorry Geoff but you are totally wrong, the 16.8 million comes from the government funding and not a betting levy, what is bet on racing is very very small and would not support any organisation.
In Budget 2019, Minister Donohoe raised gambling duty from 1% of turnover to 2%. Under the 1% rate, the government collected just over 50 million a year, with this expected to double to 100 million with the rate increase.
They need now to give plenty of that back to Sport to create welfare and rehoming programs for injured and retired greyhounds
16 million of taxpayers money, Its a betting levy Clive, not tax payers money..
I have generally agreed with your comments over the years, but you are now sounding like Poacher turned Gamekeeper
Sorry Geoff but you are totally wrong, the 16.8 million comes from the government funding and not a betting levy, what is bet on racing is very very small and would not support any organisation.
In Budget 2019, Minister Donohoe raised gambling duty from 1% of turnover to 2%. Under the 1% rate, the government collected just over 50 million a year, with this expected to double to 100 million with the rate increase.
They need now to give plenty of that back to Sport to create welfare and rehoming programs for injured and retired greyhounds
There is already rehoming program in place for the retired dogs and also an injury fund for dogs that receive career ending injuries.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 31 Jan 2020 22:20
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How hard does it get promoted to the media and how many dogs go through these programs?
Since I have lived in Ireland the situation has got better, but it is still too easy for people to take a healthy greyhound or an injured one that could be fixed, to certain vets and have it put down. One of the problems is, that we greyhound people get blamed for, is when greyhounds are found dumped, more often or not, it is not a greyhound person who has done this, they are greyhounds or lurchers that come from various other sources (and we all know where) without me having to spell it out. Most of these are completely out of control and the authorities are too afraid to do anything about them.I recently had contact with a woman who was completely anti greyhound racing, I asked her if she was so concerned with cruelty to greyhounds, why not go to Spain and campaign there, her answer was "that does not concern me, I am only interested in getting rid of greyhound racing" says it all about these people.
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