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Hayden Goody
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Full brother to Tornado Tears but out of a younger litter, Heres Tears just broke Miatas 715m record at Sandown running 41.15


Mark Staines
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30 Jan 2020 10:08


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WOW !!!!


Sandro Bechini
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No doubt the winner was sensational but I thought the 2nd dog who is barely a novice ran a bottler running 41.61 improving out of sight


Hayden Goody
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Hahaha every dog in that race seemed to improve out of sight, looks like they timed the lure, in all seriousness but he makes it look easy just like his brother


Hayden Gilders
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30 Jan 2020 20:56


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But can they back up? (lol)



Simon Moore
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Hayden Gilders wrote:

But can they back up? (lol)


no, please, just don't. :)



Kevin Wright
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simon moore wrote:

Hayden Gilders wrote:

But can they back up? (lol)


no, please, just don't. :)

Tornado or no tornado will this dog back up in 7 days time and run faster ...
Only Tornado has the answer...




Bruce Teague
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Hayden Goody wrote:

Hahaha every dog in that race seemed to improve out of sight, looks like they timed the lure, in all seriousness but he makes it look easy just like his brother

Hayden,

That was my first fear, too, because the dog came in with useful but not spectacular form. Previously, it had run no better than 41.55 as well as a smart 33.94 over the 595m. Additionally, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th dogs also recorded similar career improvements, even though they were 6.6, 8.5 and 10.6 lengths behind.

So, even allowing for any dog to have its one day in the limelight, eyebrows should be raised.

I dont doubt the overall time as all sorts of people can and do make cross-checks in these cases (well, I hope they do as we are talking about one of the greatest stayers to have lived). However, I would like to hear from private timers to verify that we are least in the right ball park.

My guesstimation is that Heres Tears ran a very fine race but I cannot believe it ran faster than Miata or other dogs in its own ancestry.

But back to the timing. Is it possible that an error occurred at the jump, not at the finish? After all, these are merely electro-mechanical devices and things can go wrong.





Kevin Wright
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Hayden Goody wrote:

Hahaha every dog in that race seemed to improve out of sight, looks like they timed the lure, in all seriousness but he makes it look easy just like his brother

Hayden,

That was my first fear, too, because the dog came in with useful but not spectacular form. Previously, it had run no better than 41.55 as well as a smart 33.94 over the 595m. Additionally, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th dogs also recorded similar career improvements, even though they were 6.6, 8.5 and 10.6 lengths behind.

So, even allowing for any dog to have its one day in the limelight, eyebrows should be raised.

I dont doubt the overall time as all sorts of people can and do make cross-checks in these cases (well, I hope they do as we are talking about one of the greatest stayers to have lived). However, I would like to hear from private timers to verify that we are least in the right ball park.

My guesstimation is that Heres Tears ran a very fine race but I cannot believe it ran faster than Miata or other dogs in its own ancestry.

But back to the timing. Is it possible that an error occurred at the jump, not at the finish? After all, these are merely electro-mechanical devices and things can go wrong.


The Great Tornado Conspiracy.....
You should write a Book Tornado ...
Tornado
are you saying that the timer was wrong .. or maybe its in his DNA

I think Artificial intelligence had something to do with it IMO Tornado ..

Please elaborate further so the guys here can understand and believe you this time around .



Steven Martin
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31 Jan 2020 04:29


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In all my years of racing, I've watched & witnessed this same scenario many times.
When a dog jumps to the front & runs the hands of the clock, it usually drags the dogs behind (if they have any ability) to run their best PB, as they are busting their guts to catch the one in front.


Brett Margerison
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Was a fast run but the track was a minimum 0.30 fast...



Kevin Wright
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Brett Margerison wrote:

Was a fast run but the track was a minimum 0.30 fast...

I don't disbelieve you BM but .30 is huge
maybe the new Sandown curator has the track worked out .
The dogs were also leaving foot prints so its not like it was rock hard.
Sandown is a fantastic track second to none IMO so when a record does get broken you must sit up and take notice because very few dogs can do it .

Maybe this dog can go quicker who knows maybe the IONS in the air helped maybe ask Tornado he seems to have all of the answers ...

It is Interesting to watch his running line .....


Hayden Goody
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31 Jan 2020 05:05


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Most records are broken on concrete fast tracks anyway


Michael Geraghty
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31 Jan 2020 05:24


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I fear there's some bad weather brewing...



Kevin Wright
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Michael Geraghty wrote:

I fear there's some bad weather brewing...

Tornado Warning MG
Thundering wind and rain
Overpowering all controls
Run for your life to be safe
Not believing the results
Anxiety waiting for destruction
Desperation beyond understanding
Options limited but must go on.



Mark Donohue
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Hayden Goody wrote:

Most records are broken on concrete fast tracks anyway

The track looked wet.

It looked like the perfect run too. Jumped and kept on going. Well done to connections.


Bruce Teague
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Brett Margerison wrote:

Was a fast run but the track was a minimum 0.30 fast...

Brett,

Exactly. That theory is franked by the fact that the first four runners all exceeded their previous best form by at least that much, if not more. One or two I could handle but not four.

Most of the beaten brigade also improved on their career 700m performances, although all had some sort of good runs over middle distances (eg Keeper of Keys 37.04 at WBL).

Most of the 515m runs were quick, too.

Still, the question is why? (I posed that question previously because I could not be sure of the answer so it's no good asking me to explain further).

PS: I would not dismiss too quickly Kev's theme about Ions and the like. That may be a jokeathon and I doubt it's the full answer but it could be a contributor. Likewise the negative effects of humidity and/or persistent rain. In other words, times are a complex subject and, failing all else, are best compared with whatever the dog has done previously.



Mark Staines
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You don't break records unless conditions are favourable !!!!!



Kevin Wright
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Brett Margerison wrote:

Was a fast run but the track was a minimum 0.30 fast...

Brett,

Exactly. That theory is franked by the fact that the first four runners all exceeded their previous best form by at least that much, if not more. One or two I could handle but not four.

Most of the beaten brigade also improved on their career 700m performances, although all had some sort of good runs over middle distances (eg Keeper of Keys 37.04 at WBL).

Most of the 515m runs were quick, too.

Still, the question is why? (I posed that question previously because I could not be sure of the answer so it's no good asking me to explain further).

PS: I would not dismiss too quickly Kev's theme about Ions and the like. That may be a jokeathon and I doubt it's the full answer but it could be a contributor. Likewise the negative effects of humidity and/or persistent rain. In other words, times are a complex subject and, failing all else, are best compared with whatever the dog has done previously.


Tornado
You never get 100% compaction over the whole track that's why engineers require specify somewhere around 95% on critical areas when building islands and houses on those sand island

Tracks do vary from the inside out if you were to test the compaction
As you know the finer grains of sand sink to the bottom and the larger grains go to the top of the track .
Sandown sometimes suffers from finer particles of sand running down the track towards the rail and when it rains that first 1 metre closest to the rail bogs down and foot prints can and do go in as far as 1 to 2 inches compared to one meter out from the rail that is firm only going down half a inch ..

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You must not let the fine particles of sand sink or can you let the fines wash down closer to the rail ..
Sandown was built on a old road and the base was not worked on heaverly when the new track was made they basically covered road up the old without removing the rubble completely ..
Sandown cannot get rid of the inside water but the Meadows can and The meadows has a inside drainage channel that allows more or less water to run away into its drainage system so they dont have the same problems that Sandown have IMO

Most stayers who break track records sit one or two dogs off the rail running in the tractor wheel line that always gets the exactly same compaction race after race the Wheel line is always under compaction ..
Tornado
IONS
The grass has grown over 12 inches in 4 days here in Town 15 min from Sandown track ...
Negative and positive IONS play a huge roll when and if a track record gets broken ..I guess Tornado many will never understand whats its about but you are doing your kennel no harm by installing a IONISER in your kennels in your Van or dog Trailer ....

Clay to sand mix ratio can sometimes vary depending on where the sand is taken in a sand pit ...
The sand layers change in each pit ...Some of the best sand now will not be the same in a few years time as the pit goes down the grade of sands changes.

The right mix of clay to sand is very important because without some kind of water holding agent the sand will never compact beyond a certain point

Sandown Track Staff do a great job considering they have a inside drainage problem at times ..
Sandowns need a inside drainage system like the Meadows .....

Sandowns drainage problem was evident on Melbourne Cup Night
If you were to test the compaction of a track surface before a race you will know exactly how the times will play out before the event so then a rating could be added to the track conditions ...

We see the tracks up North of Victoria continaly rack up injuries summer after summer dogs break down because of dry or shifting tracks they call it hock season for a reason maybe we need to understand better how to protect our racing stocks over the summer periods i believe deep harrowing once a week would do the trick so that all the clay sand particles mix from top to bottom from inside to
outside and then rolled with a heavy roller



Steven Martin
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Bruce Teague wrote:

Most of the beaten brigade also improved on their career 700m performances, although all had some sort of good runs over middle distances (eg Keeper of Keys 37.04 at WBL).

I repeat......In all my years of racing, I've watched & witnessed this same scenario many times.
When a dog jumps to the front & runs the hands of the clock, it usually drags the dogs behind (if they have any ability) to run their best PB, as they are busting their guts to catch the one in front.



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