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Malcolm Smart
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Ok lets look at opinions do 300 mtr dogs that race at WP deserve the full prizemoney answer below and state whether you are an owner or trainer or gambler or in obnoxious case an anti....

me = YES / trainer


Sandro Bechini
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19 Mar 2020 22:32


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Ok lets look at opinions do 300 mtr dogs that race at WP deserve the full prizemoney answer below and state whether you are an owner or trainer or gambler or in obnoxious case an anti....

me = YES / trainer

NO

Owner/Breeder/Former Trainer and again when semi-retirement kicks in

As one of these I don't think sub 400m dogs deserve more than 2k in prizemoney for the level of work that needs to be put into them

As a Gambler only on races above 400m races on horseshoe tracks and 4-bend tracks. As a gambler, 300m races provide poor betting options



Malcolm Smart
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19 Mar 2020 23:54


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Malcolm Smart wrote:

Ok lets look at opinions do 300 mtr dogs that race at WP deserve the full prizemoney answer below and state whether you are an owner or trainer or gambler or in obnoxious case an anti....

me = YES / trainer

NO

Owner/Breeder/Former Trainer and again when semi-retirement kicks in

As one of these I don't think sub 400m dogs deserve more than 2k in prizemoney for the level of work that needs to be put into them

As a Gambler only on races above 400m races on horseshoe tracks and 4-bend tracks. As a gambler, 300m races provide poor betting options

But as a breeder if you breed 400 mtr dogs you'll still expect full price for it, you won't discount because its a 400mtr squib...

(example , dog advertised on here for $4000 just won a300 mtr race at rich now the price is $6500, I think if you are paying that money you deserve the top money..)


Jason Bolwell
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20 Mar 2020 00:18


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NO
owner/breeder


Mark Staines
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20 Mar 2020 00:26


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NO
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Valerie Glover
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20 Mar 2020 00:45


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NO Breeder Trainer Bob Glover


Gillian Wilcox
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20 Mar 2020 00:49


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NO we are owners/trainers/ breeders


Bruce Teague
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20 Mar 2020 00:53


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The better question is what is better for the breed and the industry in the long term.

A good guide to that is what sort of product the buyers want. And how has that changed over the last couple of decades.

Trainers are simply not relevant to strategic decisions - other than to make sure they get appropriate rewards and don't blot their copybooks. They are skilled enough to adjust to whatever the conditions are.

Owners are highly relevant as they (or some of them) can put fresh cash into the business. Sadly, this is not happening well enough - although nobody is sure why. That's both a short and long term challenge.

Finally, it is neither here nor there whether a breeder gets "full price" for his output. Breeding is essentially a matter of demand and supply - ie market forces - so anyone losing out is having a problem with one or other of those factors. No doubt the biggest impetus would come from a popular and thriving industry.

Suffice to say that the shorter the race the more likely it is that interference will be higher, injuries more common and confidence reduced.

In any event, a survey on this site would end up as more biased than the ABC so we may not learn much. If you want the truth it must be sought out independently and professionally.





Malcolm Smart
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question for the "breeders", you breed a litter you have a fair idea which are the good one's , if you don't believe the 300 mtr dogs deserve the top prizemoney then why don't you give the others away,which most probably would be 300 mtr racers instead of selling..????


Bruce Teague
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What I would like to know is is what is better for the breed and the industry in the long term.

A good guide to that is what sort of product the buyers want. And how has that changed over the last couple of decades.

Trainers are simply not relevant to strategic decisions - other than to make sure they get appropriate rewards and don't blot their copybooks. They are skilled enough to adjust to whatever the conditions are.

Owners are highly relevant as they (or some of them) can put fresh cash into the business. Sadly, this is not happening well enough - although nobody is sure why. That's both a short and long term challenge - it's where it all starts.

Finally, it is neither here nor there whether a breeder gets "full price" for his output. Breeding is essentially a matter of demand and supply - ie market forces - so anyone losing out is having a problem with one or other of those factors. No doubt the biggest impetus would come from a popular and thriving industry.

Suffice to say that the shorter the race the more likely it is that interference will be higher, injuries more common, dividends more unpredictable and dog confidence reduced.

In any event, a survey on this site would end up as more biased than the ABC so we may not learn much. If you want the truth it must be sought out independently and professionally.




Mark Staines
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Stop moving the Goal Post's Mal !!!!!
A 300 Metre Dog can still be a good earner if it is fast enough, so why would a Breeder want to give it away ?




Malcolm Smart
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Mark Staines wrote:

Stop moving the Goal Post's Mal !!!!!
A 300 Metre Dog can still be a good earner if it is fast enough, so why would a Breeder want to give it away ?

So then answer why isn't it enetitled to run for the WP prizemoney..??


Jason Bolwell
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20 Mar 2020 01:20


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

Stop moving the Goal Post's Mal !!!!!
A 300 Metre Dog can still be a good earner if it is fast enough, so why would a Breeder want to give it away ?

So then answer why isn't it enetitled to run for the WP prizemoney..??

pretty simple in my opinion.If you keep offering more money for short course races then that is all you will get because why would a trainer send the dog any further if he has double the chance of winning top prizemoney twice a week rather than getting the dog fit (costing the trainer money) to race for the same money once a week ??
no brainer really double the prizemoney for 500m dogs.


Mark Staines
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Since Adam was a Boy 500 Metre plus Greyhounds and Races that cater for them have held a higher status amongst Owners/Trainers and Breeders and i cant see that changing ever in Australia !!!!



Malcolm Smart
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Ok set the record straight I don't like/want ordinary 300 mtr races at wenty , I spoke to my boss and suggested that we have a top grade every now and then because they deserve the chance of a WP win on their resume,but what this thread is I believe if we have to have them running at WP they deserve the money WP pays..



Sandro Bechini
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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Sandro Bechini wrote:

Malcolm Smart wrote:

Ok lets look at opinions do 300 mtr dogs that race at WP deserve the full prizemoney answer below and state whether you are an owner or trainer or gambler or in obnoxious case an anti....

me = YES / trainer

NO

Owner/Breeder/Former Trainer and again when semi-retirement kicks in

As one of these I don't think sub 400m dogs deserve more than 2k in prizemoney for the level of work that needs to be put into them

As a Gambler only on races above 400m races on horseshoe tracks and 4-bend tracks. As a gambler, 300m races provide poor betting options

But as a breeder if you breed 400 mtr dogs you'll still expect full price for it, you won't discount because its a 400mtr squib...

(example , dog advertised on here for $4000 just won a300 mtr race at rich now the price is $6500, I think if you are paying that money you deserve the top money..)

Firstly, I don't try and breed for 400m dogs

Secondly, I don't know what each pups distance capability will be when its born

Thirdly, I expect a fair price for the pup based on what I have sought to breed it for

Lastly, if it turns out to be a sub 400m squib it used to end up in NZ or I would give it away

They have been given more value because of the amount of racing and prizemoney there is available for them.

Up to a certain point all dogs, sub 420m and above cost the same to develop so there is a base level prizemoney that needs to be met so that thes edogs if they win their maiden and 4 5th grades owners and trainers aren't out of pocket.

However, once you are aware that your dog is not a sub 420m dog then I just think the higher distances should be paid far more because of the patience and time and effort put in to maintain and develop such a dog for the longer distances



Simon Moore
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yes they deserve it but there shouldn't be 280m races at wenty on their top city meeting of the week imo.

they should be putting on short course races on the tab tracks with boosted prizemoney on different occasions.


Mark Donohue
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20 Mar 2020 02:47


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No - owner / trainer

However, there are better ways that GRNSW can program races for these types of speed dogs for their owners / trainers to derive more prize money from racing and they should be catering for more 600m n 700m races too.


Jodie Lord
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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Ok lets look at opinions do 300 mtr dogs that race at WP deserve the full prizemoney answer below and state whether you are an owner or trainer or gambler or in obnoxious case an anti....

me = YES / trainer


yes trainer
doesnít matter what distance they run they all deserve to be paid the same thatís all old school shit saying 500 dogs deserve more all the cost to get the dog to the track is the same plenty people breed for speed and strength and get the opposite just goes to show thereís no rules in this game sprinter/stayer they all deserve the same money may the fastest dog win.


David Plumridge
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20 Mar 2020 03:54


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No - owner breeder.
I want a dog to be able to win firstly over the Melbourne cup/Easter Egg etc etc
But happy to win over a shorter distance and would expect lesser prize money


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