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G'day Sandro No mate,you aren't wrong,i have said the same thing,along with many other's. Wouldn't it be lovely if the media put some " balance " into their reporting ie:How the greyhound industry has dug deep & supported money raising community appeals like the recent catastrophic bushfires,just to mention one,or how the industry HAS changed & e olved SINCE the LBS. MMMM...Maybe they think that there is no controversy in that type of Honest,balanced & enlightening journalism ??. Stay safe mate.
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Bruce Teague wrote:
Sandro,
I am sure you have many skills but one of them is not an appreciation of how the media works.
In passing, here's a different example.
GRV has just posted a fascinating article on a Tracey Salter litter of 15 pups,(Moriera x Eminence) which may well be a world record (needs checking). Mum is not too good so the pups are farmed out to a friend with two dogs - a greyhound and a Scottish Terrier, both of which are doing a fine job of nurturing the youngsters.
That's a great job done by GRV to publicise the event but only to readers of a dedicated greyhound site, not to the public. Has GRV tried to get the national or regional dailies or even TV interested? Don't know but they should. It could be packaged up in all sorts of different ways and get rewritten by professional journalists or whoever. A great opportunity. (Tracey lives near Ararat so the Ballarat media might have a go).
For a start, anything with mothers and babies is going to be a winner. If they are at risk - even more so. If a Terrier is helping to look after them - double the interest. A female breeder also adds flavour. Etc etc. (A parallel example is in Taronga Zoo's current stories about the family and community interest by the elephant group in the birth of a newcomer).
PS: Robson spoke to two major greyhound organisations and clearly did some background study of the breed and the code. A pity no-one gave him your number (or mine) but that's life. Either way, whose fault is it that a permanent and updated source of information and data is not maintained by the ptb?
PS2: Much earlier, the SMH main anti - Natalie O'Brien (now gone) - rang me to ask about a critical matter. She did not like what I told her and so it did not get printed. That's life, too. Think about it.
PS3: I am aware that at least two state CEOs were interviewed by the ABC about LB. Almost none of those conversations made it through to the final item. Why is that so?
All you have stated just confirms what I have said
Dishonest, biased journalism for organizations running agenda's
Am I wrong?
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Apr 2020 22:05
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Daryl,
I have tried to explain to you, Sandro and others why this sort of coverage occurs and how to tone it down or improve it. I even suggested commissioning Robson to do stories on "A Day in the Life of a Greyhound".
All I am hearing are moans and groans. Even if they are heard (and they won't be) it will be water off a duck's back.
Here's another example. After the NSW CEO warned about declining TAB income and after GRSA has cut salaries and prize money for the same reason and after GRV has recast race programs to include more Hybrid meetings (ie slow dogs) and then chopped prize money for the next three months we still have some writers telling us that turnover is terrific.
Study the latest GRV release on prize money cuts.
It mentions "update", "changes", "revised, "altered", and it's "proud" that Warrnambool is charging ahead with the Cup series. These are all waffle words, obfuscation and bureaucratese and fail to tell us why it has happened or to comment on declining income. This sort of BS is worse than anything outsiders can write because insiders should know better.
Was it Jack Nicholson who roared at Tom Cruise, "You can't handle the truth" and then lost the case and his job?
Bruce, Don' t be so bloody condescending to Sandro ," Other's or Myself!!,We ALL know why this occurs,& for you to suggest that all we do is " moan & groan " is not only complete & utter nonsense, but also offensive. As breeders,trainers,rearers,owners & kennel staff,WE supply the product,it is up to the National Greyhound Racing Bodies to do their job,ie,positive marketing & PR,amongst other roles within their capacity. You,I & everyone involved in any capacity,knows that there ARE certain media groups who will always try to dig up some type of dirt from the past,& will ALWAYS ,be looking in the future whilst greyhound racing exists in Australia & NZ. Bruce,as a former scribe,you know only too well that scandal,contraversy sells,especially when is attached to the racing industry as a whole,the only exception is the odd " feel good story " about a peoples champion,ie Winx etc. So Bruce tell me,enlighten all of us whingers,moaners & groaners,when / where did you read anything positive in media from a mainstream journalists,( not including any racing industries scribes who share our passion ) recently over the last 12 months ??.All us whingers,moaners & groaners would like to see is honest,balanced & open minded journalism. Have a great afternoon Brucie. Ps, Jack was right," you can't handle truth" old mate.
Bruce Teague wrote:
Daryl,
I have tried to explain to you, Sandro and others why this sort of coverage occurs and how to tone it down or improve it. I even suggested commissioning Robson to do stories on "A Day in the Life of a Greyhound".
All I am hearing are moans and groans. Even if they are heard (and they won't be) it will be water off a duck's back.
Here's another example. After the NSW CEO warned about declining TAB income and after GRSA has cut salaries and prize money for the same reason and after GRV has recast race programs to include more Hybrid meetings (ie slow dogs) and then chopped prize money for the next three months we still have some writers telling us that turnover is terrific.
Study the latest GRV release on prize money cuts.
It mentions "update", "changes", "revised, "altered", and it's "proud" that Warrnambool is charging ahead with the Cup series. These are all waffle words, obfuscation and bureaucratese and fail to tell us why it has happened or to comment on declining income. This sort of BS is worse than anything outsiders can write because insiders should know better.
Was it Jack Nicholson who roared at Tom Cruise, "You can't handle the truth" and then lost the case and his job?
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Apr 2020 12:41
I may not be a media guru, but I can smell bullshit and worst of all taste it, when its getting shoved down my throat by amateur journalists like Robson and others that support his type
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Apr 2020 22:21
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Sandro,
We are getting away from the main topic here but I will leave you with this thought.
Leaving aside the crook data in the McHugh report, if Baird and Grant had taken the same approach to the subject as Robson did there would have been no ban. Such a view is supported by the bloke appointed by Baird to review the impact of the ban as he moved around the traps.
Incidentally, Robson is not an "amateur journalist" but an experienced professional one (look him up). We will never really know now but I suspect a reader survey of his article would have found either a neutral or positive view of the greyhound coming out of it.
If he was such a professional, he would have done a better job, but it didn't suit his employers to do so
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 25 Apr 2020 07:30
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Sandro,
We are getting away from the main topic here but I will leave you with this thought.
Leaving aside the crook data in the McHugh report, if Baird and Grant had taken the same approach to the subject as Robson did there would have been no ban. Such a view is supported by the bloke appointed by Baird to review the impact of the ban as he moved around the traps.
Incidentally, Robson is not an "amateur journalist" but an experienced professional one (look him up). We will never really know now but I suspect a reader survey of his article would have found either a neutral or positive view of the greyhound coming out of it.
Bruce You don't get it
I am not one for censorship but shit man you realy rub a lot of people up the wrong way ...
...We do not need Amuetuer Jourelists writing articles trying to bring us all down again. We are sick of the way the Media has portrayed the Greyhound racing Industry
We are sick of people making decisions for us and we are sick of the Bullshit we continually get feed by the Greyhound racing Boards ..
We don't need wankers writing Bullshit articles and thats you included Bruce Stop trying to play mind games with our members ..
If you have something to write about then please do so but your continual diatribe is wearing very thin with a lot of people .
Maybe take a small break from Data you seem to be going back and forwards over the same topics in every post or thread you participate in ..
PS If Robson had any real balls he would come here on Data the largest Greyhound forum in the World to explain his article and himself further ...
Social Media now has a bite and Blokes Like Robson are a dime a dozen ....
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Apr 2020 23:49
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Kevin,
I note that you are not one for censorship but only so long as your name is not Teague or Pitstock or Robson. It seems you have a handful of supporters of the same mind. Obviously, life would be much simpler if we all agreed with your team. Boring but simpler.
Sadly, none of you offer any arguments or evidence in support of your views. Abuse only.
As for social media it is now finally getting the rounds of the kitchen as thinking people realise how much it contains lies, half truths and Russian misinformation (see report to USA Congress). That would include your misguided claim that betting is on the up. The big operators are now furiously backtracking and mounting efforts to chop out the bad stuff in order to avoid further sanctions by governments. However, they are not doing too well and some have been heavily fined.
Simultaneously, Australia is about to enforce regulations requiring them to pay hard cash to the news sources they steal from. The ACCC will oversight the rules and the penalties.
PS: I cannot imagine why Robson would bother to come on G-D but if he did I can see him being horrified by all the zany ideas, bad spelling, grammar and punctuation and finding no purpose whatever in taking part. Perhaps he might have tried harder if a few had written to the Editor complaining about his article. So far as I can see, nobody did, so several hundred thousand SMH readers will be none the wiser. Did you write in?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 Apr 2020 01:26
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Kevin,
I note that you are not one for censorship but only so long as your name is not Teague or Pitstock or Robson. It seems you have a handful of supporters of the same mind. Obviously, life would be much simpler if we all agreed with your team. Boring but simpler.
Sadly, none of you offer any arguments or evidence in support of your views. Abuse only.
As for social media it is now finally getting the rounds of the kitchen as thinking people realise how much it contains lies, half truths and Russian misinformation (see report to USA Congress). That would include your misguided claim that betting is on the up. The big operators are now furiously backtracking and mounting efforts to chop out the bad stuff in order to avoid further sanctions by governments. However, they are not doing too well and some have been heavily fined.
Simultaneously, Australia is about to enforce regulations requiring them to pay hard cash to the news sources they steal from. The ACCC will oversight the rules and the penalties.
PS: I cannot imagine why Robson would bother to come on G-D but if he did I can see him being horrified by all the zany ideas, bad spelling, grammar and punctuation and finding no purpose whatever in taking part. Perhaps he might have tried harder if a few had written to the Editor complaining about his article. So far as I can see, nobody did, so several hundred thousand SMH readers will be none the wiser. Did you write in?
I don't have a Possy or a team im a Lone Wolf Bruce..If i controlled censorship on Data i would of Kicked you long ago you are here for your Ego because your reputation don't hold much sway these days at all so you use Data to try and piss our Members off to a point that they walk away from the Forum ...
.. The news media and the government are entwined in a vicious circle of mutual manipulation, mythmaking, and self-interest. Journalists need crises to dramatize news, and government officials need to appear to be responding to crises. Too often, the crises are not really crises but joint fabrications. The two institutions have become so ensnared in a symbiotic web of lies that the news media are unable to tell the public what is true .. Teague Pitstock and Robson you are all has beens ....Old news None of you are liked in 2020 because we now can see and read the Truth ourselfs unfiltered ..
You are stupid if you think Greyhound betting is down its way up on this time last year and the year before that and the year before that ..FACT
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 26 Apr 2020 01:32
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Know hear I waz thinkin tat maibe buy know your startin two git tha hint(got one right)tat poeples hav ad enuf ov yiu.
Nadi's callin, darlin'. Polich up thoose rusti balls ov yous. Hopfuly thay dond hav enternit.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3230 Dogs 6 / Races 0 26 Apr 2020 01:59
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If ya start wry en like dhat, I mite get use to it.
The writer aka Tornado (Torn because were Aussies), has had grammatical errors in his pieces of work too. Nobody is perfect. Some are worse than others, but generally we overlook them to concentrate on content.
So you young fellas and sheilas out there, dont be overly concerned about your spelling and contribute where you can. I know that sometimes you cant be bothered, but were hearing you.
Bruce, Sometime ago,about 2 months,i wrote to SBS in regards to a " code complaint", specifically, the biased,unbalanced & inaccuracies. Also that they we're "pidgeon holing " participants involved in the greyhound industry. Guess what Bruce...NO REPLY !!,I am still waiting. Jack was definitely right Bruce,so it appears i will NEVER get a reply...i wonder why ??? Oh,another thing,have you found anything worthwhile regarding my request earlier to you regarding mainstream media & positive,balanced or unbiased stories ??.
Bruce Teague wrote:
Kevin,
I note that you are not one for censorship but only so long as your name is not Teague or Pitstock or Robson. It seems you have a handful of supporters of the same mind. Obviously, life would be much simpler if we all agreed with your team. Boring but simpler.
Sadly, none of you offer any arguments or evidence in support of your views. Abuse only.
As for social media it is now finally getting the rounds of the kitchen as thinking people realise how much it contains lies, half truths and Russian misinformation (see report to USA Congress). That would include your misguided claim that betting is on the up. The big operators are now furiously backtracking and mounting efforts to chop out the bad stuff in order to avoid further sanctions by governments. However, they are not doing too well and some have been heavily fined.
Simultaneously, Australia is about to enforce regulations requiring them to pay hard cash to the news sources they steal from. The ACCC will oversight the rules and the penalties.
PS: I cannot imagine why Robson would bother to come on G-D but if he did I can see him being horrified by all the zany ideas, bad spelling, grammar and punctuation and finding no purpose whatever in taking part. Perhaps he might have tried harder if a few had written to the Editor complaining about his article. So far as I can see, nobody did, so several hundred thousand SMH readers will be none the wiser. Did you write in?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 26 Apr 2020 10:32
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Mark/Ron,
In line with the topic "A different future is facing us" so as not to go off topic, the more this individual vilifies this industry, the more this industry is prone to attack and definitely a different future...a bad future.
Indeed, the face of the future is trying to be moulded here, and it's cancerous.
If the audience is so braindead and uneducated, why would one tutor it? Because the audience is inconsequential.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3230 Dogs 6 / Races 0 26 Apr 2020 23:45
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MG's post was deleted and now Torn's. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We aren't trying to shove stuff done someone's throat.
Before Coronavirus, every code of racing was feeling the effects of a recession that was pending. Well, now its a combination of both. Maybe Big Tony might be able to enlighten us in NSW if we are feeling the effects of both issues. GRNSW wasn't travelling well at the end of 2019 FY and from one FY (2017-2018) to the next FY (2018-2019), there was a downward trend; a negative balance and a swing of about $4 million downwards.
I hope that betting is up for all codes and that we `sail' through rough seas better than most industries. Leaving the `large' p/m alone for the time being, might help the balance sheet and keep us afloat. I congratulate GRNSW, but it is an obvious thing to do. I might just send an email to Big Tony and see if my Q gets answered.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 27 Apr 2020 00:19
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ronald george hunter wrote:
Totally agree Michael, so determined to put the greyhounds down at every chance. Constantly pirating others log ons, and praising his so called "journalistic abilities" which are miniscule at least, his liberalised based rants on this sport. Wake up data before we have nowhere to talk greyhound matters. If you ignore this problem, then the genuine people will leave a once great site.
people keep replying to him, lol.
is it really that hard to not reply?
i don't know why they do it but then they want to complain about him. you r right though, the forum is now dead cause of this person imo.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 27 Apr 2020 01:05
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simon moore wrote:
ronald george hunter wrote:
Totally agree Michael, so determined to put the greyhounds down at every chance. Constantly pirating others log ons, and praising his so called "journalistic abilities" which are miniscule at least, his liberalised based rants on this sport. Wake up data before we have nowhere to talk greyhound matters. If you ignore this problem, then the genuine people will leave a once great site.
people keep replying to him, lol.
is it really that hard to not reply?
i don't know why they do it but then they want to complain about him. you r right though, the forum is now dead cause of this person imo.
In one sense I'll agree with you Simon because it works to a degree. Unfortunately, we are dealing with someone who likes to play games and has too much time on his hands and too few avenues to fill it. He knows which buttons to push and he keeps on pushing to get a response from someone, anyone. It a bit like a kid with a pointy stick poking a sleeping bear. He'll poke harder until the bear responds. You could liken the severity of some pokes as animal cruelty. In this case, it's pure industry cruelty...some may say industrial espionage.
Report all his posts that go off topic, in part or full. Report all posts that bring the game into disrepute. Those two will account for 95% of his posts. Report anything that is not right.
There's 99.5% of his posts gone.
Take the stick away from the brat and the bear sleeps well.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 27 Apr 2020 03:50
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I wouldn't be worried too much about your % Kevvy. You're not railroading the industry.
The ramifications of what's going on here will not only harm the forum, it has a negative impact for the whole industry.
G'day Mark, So was my last & FINAL reply to Brucie's post that was removed,not that there wasn't anything wrong with,as stated to me by G/D Team,but obviously because of "THE NARK " as i now have decided to nickname him. Bruce,i have often agreed & supported some of your'e comments & thoughts,& i have tried to keep an open,unbiased & balanced view of your'e thought processes & you're mentality,but i can't for the life of me understand where your'e loyaty's lie,even though you claim to be one of us,therefore Old mate,i won't be responding,nor replying to anymore post's or replies forthwith. Ps,i do expect that you will want the " last say",& i'm fine with that,best of luck Bruce.
Mark Donohue wrote:
MG's post was deleted and now Torn's. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We aren't trying to shove stuff done someone's throat.
Before Coronavirus, every code of racing was feeling the effects of a recession that was pending. Well, now its a combination of both. Maybe Big Tony might be able to enlighten us in NSW if we are feeling the effects of both issues. GRNSW wasn't travelling well at the end of 2019 FY and from one FY (2017-2018) to the next FY (2018-2019), there was a downward trend; a negative balance and a swing of about $4 million downwards.
I hope that betting is up for all codes and that we `sail' through rough seas better than most industries. Leaving the `large' p/m alone for the time being, might help the balance sheet and keep us afloat. I congratulate GRNSW, but it is an obvious thing to do. I might just send an email to Big Tony and see if my Q gets answered.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 153 / Races 138 27 Apr 2020 10:37
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Bruce Teague wrote:
Sandro,
We are getting away from the main topic here but I will leave you with this thought.
Leaving aside the crook data in the McHugh report, if Baird and Grant had taken the same approach to the subject as Robson did there would have been no ban. Such a view is supported by the bloke appointed by Baird to review the impact of the ban as he moved around the traps.
Incidentally, Robson is not an "amateur journalist" but an experienced professional one (look him up). We will never really know now but I suspect a reader survey of his article would have found either a neutral or positive view of the greyhound coming out of it.
Youre miles off the mark there Bruce. Bairds eyes lit up at the opportunity to grab Wentworth Park immediately and for free. It was purely the pressure put on him by the likes of Alan Jones, Ray Hadley and Paul Murray waking up the quiet Australians to this dodgepot of a premier. While he had the loudmouth minority animal activists backslapping him and preaching to themselves thinking they were part of the mainstream psyche. He was merely using them and the BS report as the excuse to justify his position and pinch Wentworth Park. All the while his government where feeling the heat in the real world to the point he fell on his sword!
Robsons article on behalf of the SMH wreaks of innuendo and of an anti-greyhound position. Just more agenda driven minority views in desperate hope of influencing a wider audience. Something they just dont get, mainstream society is pretty hardened with far more pressing issues than animal cruelty. Such as paying the mortgage, school fees etc. Of course society is against animal cruelty, but with the RSPCA in place they go about their lives with but a passing interest on the nightly news of any animal cruelty stories! Presuming the RSPCA are doing the job. With GWIC essentially the greyhound version of the RSPCA. So long as they are to the fore on any cruelty issues. Mainstream society will carry on with their far more important busy stressful lives and greyhound racing will prosper in a far more professional manner.
Because the truth of the matter is this...
With some 5 million pet dogs and 4 million pet cats in Australia, the REAL problem is and always has been pet ownership. Which government barely do a thing about. For fear of voter backlash! Why we see some 250,000 healthy pets euthanised across Australia.
Society readily accepts roaming pet cats day and night stalking and killing wildlife. The owners of these pet cats have blood on their hands! How many pet owners of dogs and cats have seen their beloved pet proudly bring home a wildlife kill and the owner has simply put the dead carcass in the rubbish bin and carried on with their life...without any repercussions whatsoever!
Pet dogs and cats running on to roads being maimed and killed!
Pet owners with obese pets and all the health issues associated with obesity.
Any number of pet whisperer TV shows highlighting and exposing poor pet behaviour due to poor pet ownership!
Pet dogs viciously attacking other dogs and people on a daily basis!
Healthy pets abandoned not wanted and often euthanised because theyre no longer of any interest to pet owners.
Pets breaking legs from running competitively against each other in parks and simply euthanised with no funds or desire by owners to fix the injury!
The REAL problem with animal welfare is and has always been pet ownership!