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Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Apr 2020 07:09
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Have noticed many Greyhounds seem to be over raced many being nominated 2 to 3 times per week, with the dogs racing like tired animals with shorter races seems to be norm. With any Athlete there should be a rest period after competing and then brought back to it peak so it is able to give their Best on the Track have seen dogs draw a box that suits there racing style but nothing left in the petrol tank.
Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 29 Apr 2020 23:24
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Ricki Hassall wrote:
Back your claims up with some examples please.
Hi Ricki To start with This is not a Anti Post I have been in Greyhounds since 1970 It just that Now with mainly the Short races I have noticed some greyhounds which run a good race after a spell are the backed up some times 3 times over the next 7-10 days many of them seem to be racing like tired dogs, I was just putting out my observation of the many races I have been watching lately and my knowledge of human athletic and Greyhound training . You asked for a Example I would prefer a greyhound I trained or Owned to race once a week Say race Monday night then given 2 full days for recovery then check the greyhound for any injury on the morning of the third day hand slip the dog 200mtrs on call up if dog pulls up fine Nominate for the Following Monday this gives you the chance to taper the dog towards its next start.A greyhound will give the signal that it is feeling well in it self by its body actions love to see a greyhound have a full body shake wants to play and run on the morning of its race.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Apr 2020 10:37
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Plenty doing it these days, especially with short courses. I would never have my trainer race my dogs any more than once every 5 days.. but people are desperate to get that $80 appearance fee... I'd rather look after my dogs as best as possible and run to win than collect an appearance cheque some do.
Asking a dog to back up 3 days later and produce another peak performance is an impossible task for many
Martin Roper USA (Team Member) Posts 1593 Dogs 7212 / Races 10370 30 Apr 2020 16:09
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American dogs tend to run three times a fortnight and can have careers of 150-200 races. They get run every 4th or 5th day on average. For a big stake race 6-7 days is common between semis and final.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Apr 2020 19:04
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Kevin there is an easy fix , bring in a rule that dogs only have no more than 5 or 6 starts per 30 days simple.
Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Apr 2020 20:46
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Thanks for the replies I was starting to Think I was one out in my Thinking not sure Gillian if limits on starts per month would be welcomed in the Industry but personally I agree on what you have said would be happy if this thread gave positive comments that might get people to re-think about the training of and racing of a lovely animal.
Peter Gurry Australia (Verified User) Posts 9248 Dogs 18 / Races 25 02 May 2020 11:09
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Your spot on Big Kev, our girl had her 3rd run in 10 days tonight, 5th and running on empty so I took your advice on here and didn't bet on her. - Mockers Macwollie
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 02 May 2020 11:17
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At least you didnt have a dollar on her Macwollie and saved her the embarrassment of running last..agree with Kev though.
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6013 Dogs 0 / Races 0 02 May 2020 23:58
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Simon Milgate wrote:
At least you didnt have a dollar on her Macwollie and saved her the embarrassment of running last..agree with Kev though.
Any " Over racing of Greyhounds" happening down your way Simon?
(Couldn't add LOL as it's not very funny)
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 03 May 2020 02:30
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No Tezza, having a spell at the moment...
Craig Cooper Australia (Verified User) Posts 125 Dogs 0 / Races 1 04 May 2020 12:27
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Tonight race 5 warrnambool VIC Australia
''Stewards spoke to Mr. C. Grenfell, the kennel representative of Vanna Bale via telephone regarding the number of starts the greyhound has undertaken in recent weeks (being 8 starts in 28 days). Mr. Grenfell stated that Vanna Bale has had 4 days since her last run at The Meadows, is worked only lightly between runs, is checked daily for any injuries, is well within herself, has been competitive in recent starts and has not displayed any signs of fatigue. Stewards noted Mr. Grenfell's comments. ''
Carole Brown Australia (Verified User) Posts 32355 Dogs 185 / Races 2 04 May 2020 22:30
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Craig, if you go through the stewards' reports, there have been several others asked the same question in the last few days.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 05 May 2020 05:00
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I think he answered very well.
If you are an owner and you ask your trainer about the 'over-racing' and this is your answer, what would you do? Try and over-rule the trainer?
Wheelers obviously don't have a problem with it.
Some dogs can, some dogs cannot. Good trainers can tell the difference. Good owners will trust their trainers judgement.
Kevin Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 1183 Dogs 0 / Races 0 05 May 2020 08:38
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Sounds like production line training to me Jamie .
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 05 May 2020 10:40
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kevin martin wrote:
Sounds like production line training to me Jamie .
More than likely mate......and I doubt any small time owner would share a kennel with a Wheeler trainer. There would be a pecking order you'd think. But still, if his answers are true maybe that dog had the ability for repeated back ups.
But it is good to be involved in a forum topic without the great Oracle taking over. Might inspire me to buy a gold membership if he stays away.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 05 May 2020 10:51
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Might inspire me to buy a gold membership if he stays away.
OH, NOOOO!!!
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 05 May 2020 11:02
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Hello Micky G. C'mon mate, weren't the good old days so much more fun. My brilliant insights followed by your lousy poetry. Kevvy trying to flex his muscles with capital letters. Bowers trying to spell 2 words correctly in succession. I miss them days.
Brian Loughnane Ireland (Verified User) Posts 2510 Dogs 106 / Races 6 05 May 2020 12:47
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kevin martin wrote:
Ricki Hassall wrote:
Back your claims up with some examples please.
Hi Ricki To start with This is not a Anti Post I have been in Greyhounds since 1970 It just that Now with mainly the Short races I have noticed some greyhounds which run a good race after a spell are the backed up some times 3 times over the next 7-10 days many of them seem to be racing like tired dogs, I was just putting out my observation of the many races I have been watching lately and my knowledge of human athletic and Greyhound training . You asked for a Example I would prefer a greyhound I trained or Owned to race once a week Say race Monday night then given 2 full days for recovery then check the greyhound for any injury on the morning of the third day hand slip the dog 200mtrs on call up if dog pulls up fine Nominate for the Following Monday this gives you the chance to taper the dog towards its next start.A greyhound will give the signal that it is feeling well in it self by its body actions love to see a greyhound have a full body shake wants to play and run on the morning of its race.
Kevin your post may not be a anti post but will certainly play into their hands here's the thing aldough I understand your post is of good intentions what will it achieve...my guess is bad publicity so I would urge anyone posting on greyhound forums just be aware we are been watched by a certain group who want nothing only to close down the sport!
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 05 May 2020 13:32
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
Hello Micky G. C'mon mate, weren't the good old days so much more fun. My brilliant insights followed by your lousy poetry. Kevvy trying to flex his muscles with capital letters. Bowers trying to spell 2 words correctly in succession. I miss them days.
More like brilliant poetry followed by lousy insights, Quinny, but yep, have to agree that anything is better than what its been lately. Besides that, I miss you.
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