There was a lot of conspiracy theories about Chief Steward Rodney Potter.
I didn't believe them........prove it I said!

Nobody's going to go out on a limb Dixie......how's it working for Julian Assange?

I'm not a fan of the current box draw system. Its lazy...and it leaves the sport open to rumors & conspiracy theories.

Surely there needs to be a more transparent system at our disposal?

Could you imagine the outcry if the weekly lotto draws were done this way?

It's time for a change.....something like the lotto draws that can be viewed by the public.

Its long overdue.

ANOTHER example,but just 1 race this time ( maybe that's all you can cope with,even though you would without doubt find these abnormalities in most races...anywhere ),try Bathurst on Monday,just in the 2nd heat of the Bathurst Cup,Go on Paul,humour all of the trainers & owners who can SEE the problem,no " innuendo or conspiracy theories " going on here Paul,just black & white FACTS,that you WONT be able to deny...unless of course,you choose not to look.

Paul Dicks wrote:

Provide examples, not vague innuendo and conspiracy theories.

Paul Dicks wrote:

Provide examples, not vague innuendo and conspiracy theories.

Boxes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Starts 8, 9, 8, 10, 13, 9, 10

You wouldnt get a more even spread of boxes.

Fourth,this is all about the lack of confidence in the,Random Computer generated box draws & the abnormalities & irregularities that are derived from it.

Hopefully this is now clear enough for you.

Now,as long & painful this will be,i will attempt to show you why we are concerned.

You chose to use GOH as your'e example for a fair spread of boxes,& yes,you are right,in relation to you're point,but that is not what we are talking about,we are talking about the same boxes being drawn consecutively,then,getting a DIFFERENT box,but then,BACK TO THE SAME BOXES AGAIN,there is a worrying pattern.
So let's start with,lets say,as my example,Carry The One,because she has only 25 races to analyse & you need to focus & observe,the boxes drawn ..there is a " pattern ".
Let's start from the beginning of her career.
Box 5,4 & 5.Then draws 3 different boxes for the next 3 starts.Then draws 7,7,1,7,7,1.Then draws a different box,5,5, & yep you guessed 5.Then draws 2 different boxes.Then draws 2,2,2,6,2,6 then draws a different box,....but guess what Paul,at his last start,what box does she draw,...BOX 6,well bugger me 'ay,you wouldn't believe it or will you.
Hopefully Paul you can now " see " what this is ALL ABOUT.

We could also use Good Odds Harada to a slightly lesser degree & ZestTo Excel.

Again Paul go thru the race fields at most tracks & you will see this " phenomenon "... coincidental or just plain bad luck ( if you dog is suited by drawing certain boxes ),no,no,no,if you conducted a box draw using 8 of the same dogs in one barrell,& in a a separate barrell numbers 1-8,you couldn't draw a consecutive box number/s if you tried,the way the current Random Computer generated box draws seems to continually do.

COMPRENDE,CAPICHE???

Paul Dicks wrote:

You still aren't being specific, but let's look at the Tall Poppy (because greyhound people generally love chopping them down most), Good Odds Harada. Boxes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Starts 8, 9, 8, 10, 13, 9, 10 You wouldnt get a more even spread of boxes.

You aren't talking about Matt's dog, Raglan Viper

His spread looks pretty even

BOX 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

STARTS 3 5 4 2 4 4 3 5

I can't work out which dog you are talking about in that race or what point you are trying to make

Another factor that people tend to forget is that there a lot of 5-6 dog fields these days so some boxes just don't get drawn , so you can draw box 3. 5 or 6 more often due tot he reduced capacity of the fields

I just don't see the validity of your argument. Do you ever play craps at the Casino?

Players can spin the same numbers a few times in a row and in Roulette with a much bigger spread of numbers I can see a certain number appear a few times and come back an hour later and see a whole different set of numbers.

I guess the money on an INDEPENDENT review is going to be spent but I will bet you now that nothing will be found.

That obscure theory is debunked by Wow

https:/ CLICK HERE

Mate I reckon you're chasing shadows. You are selectively choosing tiny samples to explain your flawed argument. You are going to get runs of similar box draws. Particularly if you hand pick examples to suit your argument. For every one of those anomolies there will be dozens that don't.
This is exactly how conspiracy theories gain momentum. Likewise those that question the conspiracy theories are either "in on it" or "too stupid to see it". If you want to believe it hard enough, you will find it. I also don't expect to change your mind.

My point ( & others ),is this;

If the box draws are " Random ",how the hell can dogs seem to be caught up in the same box/es,in consecutive starts ?,& not all of these races have only 6 starters.

As far as I am concerned,it will be money well spent Sandro to see if there is a problem with the software/hardware being used currently.

From what I know & have been told,GRV uses different software etc,so if that is the issue when GWIC look into,isn't that worth having the best Random Computer generated system instead of one that is possibly flawed ?.
This is why GRNSW are involving GWIC,because there are a hell of trainers & owners who are at their wits end trying to work out how drawing the same couple of boxes consecutively,again Sandro you couldn't do it if you tried using two separate barrels to conduct box draws,& to The credit of GRNSW ,that want to make sure that the system being used is working properly or not.

PS, i could pluck a few of Matt's dogs out who have also " experienced this " phenomenon " ,but because this affects so many dogs from a shit load of different trainers,there's no point,i don't favour one against others & make it personal.

Sandro Bechini wrote:

daryl barrett wrote: Shit,my forehead is becoming badly bruised & swollen...lol,ah dear oh dear. I just don't see the validity of your argument. Do you ever play craps at the Casino? Players can spin the same numbers a few times in a row and in Roulette with a much bigger spread of numbers I can see a certain number appear a few times and come back an hour later and see a whole different set of numbers. I guess the money on an INDEPENDENT review is going to be spent but I will bet you now that nothing will be found.

Every trainer I speak to sees it and agrees

No one is saying the trainers are to blame , its the system
Trainers receiving the cream are laughing at it also

So dont tell me it doesnt exist or its just a theory

Ill go further and include pre picked kennel boxes ???
Whats that about , why should anyone know before anyone gets to track what kennel your dog goes in ??
Dont say COVID , USE GLOVES for ticket hand out

How come Ive had 4 kennel 1s last five dogs .....?? Is that random also
What are the odds of receiving 4 kennel 1s next to the isle so your dog watches 50 other dogs get ready to race !

Think about this , 40 bits of paper in a hat and Ive managed to pick the same numbered papers every time 4 times in a row !
Wow I must be Houdini !!!! This would be a million to one .....oh sorry its a computer selected run apparently explained by MR Dicks

Yous really are kidding yourselves

And to use your theory Sandro , fields that arent full

So why is the kennel 1 and or kennel 2 even up for use when the whole area is sub standard and doesnt allow your dog to rest pre race with see through block gates

Is this welfare at its most professional ?
Or is it following an apparent machine thats delivering a faultless procedure

I hardly think so

Wake up and start to use human integrity and common sense and stop all the crap and hot air talk as to how this computer generated system is acceptable and a nothing to see here approach is what our dogs are to adhere by

But dont forget the water bucket for welfare

Hypocrisy at its amateur best

So EVERY trainer you speak to agrees with you?

I must be speaking to all the dumb ones then.

Funny, I spoke to 4 fairly prominent trainers and a fairly prominent journalist at Wenty last night and they all think its a waste of time and money

We will see what the INDEPENDENT REVIEW shows us, then we will see who is awake or not

Nothing will come out of it. Even if they was an issue they will never admit to it.

Therefore, you will never get satisfaction out of it.

By the way Daryl I went through every runner in that race at Bathurst and the only runner that had any bias to any particular box across its career was the 8 dog, but 7 out of the 8 runners had a fairly even spread of boxes in all their starts

The only dog who had a run of boxes was the dog you mentioned was the 3 dog who 10 starts ago, had box 2 , 4 out of 5 times but since then has had an even spread

Honestly, if that is all you have to talk about when you go to the track then I would say that all those clubs should hire hot air balloonists as they would make a motza directing those resources into selling rides

I chose Wow because it matched Mal's "interesting" / obscure "dogs with short names" theory