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At this point in time AR is overpriced and unproven ! Luke has stated he has concerns about AR average Litter size ! Feral Franky offspring are kicking arse ! Feral Franky is not overpriced !
Its his money, its really got nothing to do with you or me or anyone else, how he chooses to spend it
We are just commenting on the merit of the mating
If I remember you have used unproven sires as well in the past, so really your argument doesn't hold Mark
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 22 Sep 2022 12:12
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Yes Flying Ricciardo unproven not overpriced and last time i checked his average litter size was ok !
If the rumours are correct about some of his break-ins he won't be unproven for much longer !
Yes Flying Ricciardo unproven not overpriced and last time i checked his average litter size was ok !
If the rumours are correct about some of his break-ins he won't be unproven for much longer !
He's overpriced in your eyes, which is fair enough but to slam a sire because he is unproven is illogical..about 67 breeders so far disagree with you
But I do agree that some of his litter sizes and a few misses are concerning
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 22 Sep 2022 19:47
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A large litter of 11 born yesterday (emergency C-section) nearly lost mum and unfortunately she is dry so we have to hand feed unless we can find a surrogate mum.
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Luke Miller Australia (Verified User) Posts 794 Dogs 56 / Races 17 22 Sep 2022 23:33
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A sires stud fee will never deter me from using a certain stud, as my first and foremost objective is to breed quality race dogs. I am not one to use a sire because its popular or will get me the best yield for my pup. Unfortunately if you agree or disagree with a studs price if you want a certain damline to potentially inject traits needed to strengthen your chances of meeting your objective, you have to pay for it. But his average litter size must concern anyone who is intending on using him.
A sires stud fee will never deter me from using a certain stud, as my first and foremost objective is to breed quality race dogs. I am not one to use a sire because its popular or will get me the best yield for my pup. Unfortunately if you agree or disagree with a studs price if you want a certain damline to potentially inject traits needed to strengthen your chances of meeting your objective, you have to pay for it. But his average litter size must concern anyone who is intending on using him.
Your response luke is true to who over the years u have used and had success with I would say this is why most of your litter sell very fast and are often very reasonable priced, like Any young stud the transition from racer to stud is interesting but what a bitch line and father line this dog has his price is what it is ,you will pay or not with the amount of breeding going on these days and the price of pups when u break it down he is reasonable price in my opinion for what he showed on track and for what he hopefully throws into who ever uses him . Good luck to all only time will tell but he has a lot of upside in his favour.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 23 Sep 2022 01:06
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Mark Staines wrote:
Yes Flying Ricciardo unproven not overpriced and last time i checked his average litter size was ok !
If the rumours are correct about some of his break-ins he won't be unproven for much longer !
He's overpriced in your eyes, which is fair enough but to slam a sire because he is unproven is illogical..about 67 breeders so far disagree with you
But I do agree that some of his litter sizes and a few misses are concerning
Stating that AR is overpriced and unproven at this point in time ! Is not slamming the Dog !
Yes Flying Ricciardo unproven not overpriced and last time i checked his average litter size was ok !
If the rumours are correct about some of his break-ins he won't be unproven for much longer !
He's overpriced in your eyes, which is fair enough but to slam a sire because he is unproven is illogical..about 67 breeders so far disagree with you
But I do agree that some of his litter sizes and a few misses are concerning
Stating that AR is overpriced and unproven at this point in time ! Is not slamming the Dog !
Stop being a Drama Queen Sandro !
I guess you just don't like when someone else's opinion is contrary to yours
Now who is the drama queen...
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 23 Sep 2022 06:30
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Would be a lot more than 67 Breeders if not overpriced !
$2200 - $2500 at least 100 bitches at that price by now.
Rob Horne Australia (Verified User) Posts 522 Dogs 1 / Races 3 23 Sep 2022 07:45
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Mark Staines wrote:
Would be a lot more than 67 Breeders if not overpriced !
$2200 - $2500 at least 100 bitches at that price by now.
@ 2500 he would of served 33 more bitches but a little earned less money. @ 2200 he would have a lot less money.
Thats not even factoring the additional costs of storage & collection.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 23 Sep 2022 07:54
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He would also of had a lot more pups on the ground !
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 23 Sep 2022 08:49
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$3750 is too expensive for any first season sire imo. That said there's been plenty of quality dogs that haven't had the respect they've deserved no matter their stud fee (also a few sires that get too much respect, but that's a different issue)
The stud fee is the cheapest part of breeding and if they can get $3750 good luck to them. I personally think $2750 he would've had a few more services and more pups on the ground. But the amount of services he's had he'll get his opportunity to prove himself
Would be a lot more than 67 Breeders if not overpriced !
$2200 - $2500 at least 100 bitches at that price by now.
He's only been at stud since April 22 so 67 in 5 months isn't bad
I would suspect that Ray's theory would be to try and obtain quality over quantity
The higher the quality, the higher the stud fee will be later if he produces the way he expects him to
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 23 Sep 2022 20:23
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New Sires need as many bitches as they can get for the first year or two to increase there chances of succeeding at Stud, it's a numbers game !
I agree 67 isn't bad but could of been a lot better.
He's already ticked 2 Boxes performance and pedigree the rest is up to his offspring.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 25 Sep 2022 23:07
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Mark Staines wrote:
New Sires need as many bitches as they can get for the first year or two to increase there chances of succeeding at Stud, it's a numbers game !
I agree 67 isn't bad but could of been a lot better.
He's already ticked 2 Boxes performance and pedigree the rest is up to his offspring.
I was the 3rd person to use Aston rupee and Ray at the time had people basically calling him every 20minutes wanting a straw.
67 matings in 5 months is phenomenal if people consider it was winter and most bitches will be on season in spring/summer. Over 3 litters per week is nothing to sneeze at.
I dare say over the next 5 months when the weather is warm those 67 litters will be going through the roof. He will be lucky to keep up with demand
Simon Milgate Australia (Verified User) Posts 2043 Dogs 23 / Races 0 22 Nov 2022 08:56
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Simon Milgate wrote:
The former track record holder in Hard Style Rico looks to have had 30 matings at $2200 since his introduction so I'd say that would be a good starting point.
120 matings so far and here I was low balling knowing I wanted a straw lol. Paid the going price and am more than happy. My pups are healthy and happy.
Good luck Aston Rupee
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 10 Apr 2023 02:04
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Why doesn't this bloke come up in the Tesmating list when you select special ancestor Barcia Bale, but his brother and half brother do?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 10 Apr 2023 02:32
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Hasn't been entered into database for some reason. He's had over 200 matings in a year so I guess it hasn't hurt his chances
There's sires that struggle to attract 20 matings in a career and rupee has over 200. He won't have any excuses if it doesn't go to plan for him
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 10 Apr 2023 04:16
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I'll make the not so very bold prediction that AR will be a boom sire. Stating the bleeding obvious I know. He has got a stack of bitches early and great quality ones at that. His dam being a litter sister to ADB, has been a huge success. His sire KC and All is developing as the next great sire of sires in Oz.
Donna Sadler Australia (Verified User) Posts 1731 Dogs 59 / Races 6 10 Apr 2023 07:47
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Paul Dicks wrote:
I'll make the not so very bold prediction that AR will be a boom sire. Stating the bleeding obvious I know. He has got a stack of bitches early and great quality ones at that. His dam being a litter sister to ADB, has been a huge success. His sire KC and All is developing as the next great sire of sires in Oz.
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