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Greyhound Recorder Statistics

Michael Fitzgerald
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03 Sep 2022 23:15


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Now I know statistics can be interpreted anyway someone wants them to be, but I'm just putting the following stats out there for nothing more than discussion - if anyone wants to do so.

I make little comment on the results of the stats, nor have I produced them here to either praise or discredit any sire. They just are what they are.

I compiled the stats earlier this week from the Greyhound Recorder's website, and they relate to the top 25 sires (by way of prize money won) Australia-wide.

Average Prize Money per Individual Dog and Starts (Australia Wide) by the Following Sires in order of total prize money won.

Per Dog Rank Per Start Rank

1.Fernando Bale $8,501 2 $614 4
2.Barcia Bale $6,942 9 $580 6
3.Aston Dee Bee $9,874 1 $715 2
4.Zambora Brockie $5,914 16 $527 8
5.My Redeemer $6,644 14 $474 12
6.Mepunga Blazer $5,233 18 $392 19
7.Orson Allen $6,702 11 $463 14
8.Fabregas $4,619 22 $382 20
9.My Bro Fabio $5,171 19 $375 21
10.Dyna Double One $4,545 23 $363 22
11.Aussie Infrared $8,243 4 $654 3
12.Kinloch Brae $5,745 17 $482 11
13.Zipping Garth $7,042 8 $524 9
14.Keybow $6,672 =12 $444 17
15.Collision $6,672 =12 $452 16
16.Cosmic Rumble $4,180 25 $333 25
17.Spring Gun $6,556 15 $420 18
18.Magic Sprite $4,431 24 $345 23
19.Worm Burner $4,740 21 $341 24
20.Dyna Villa $6,740 10 $469 13
21.Allen Deed $7,115 7 $578 7
22.Bernardo $4,794 20 $454 15
23.Feral Franky $8,465 3 $790 1
24.Raw Ability $7,158 6 $495 10
25.Aston Kimetto $7,705 5 $602 5

I've done similar figures based purely on metropolitan earnings and I'm really surprised how far down the list one particular dog is sitting, relative to his superstar status.



Paul Dicks
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04 Sep 2022 01:13


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I've been following the Greyhound Recorder Stats for decades. When they first start the super sires are 30%+ the great future sires are 20-25%+, the excellent are 20-25%, the solid are 15-20%. So using that criteria, Feral Franky, Sennachie, Good Odds Harada, Konomi and Whisky Riot have bright futures. Also means Benali was a terrible loss to the stud ranks.


Bruce Teague
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04 Sep 2022 20:44


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Sadly, any dollar figures will be distorted by inflation and the prize money policies adopted by various clubs and states. Some more recent changes have been very big.

The only option is to use a deflator from a consistent source every year, starting from an agreed base (year), but it needs a lot of work to keep up to date.


Sandro Bechini
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04 Sep 2022 22:33


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Michael

If you filter that list by sires that have over 100 runners so far this year

It shows how many sires that usually not considered by most breeders punching well above their weight and a few heavyweights looking like underweights

There are 37 sires with over 100 runners

(I pick 100 runners so the figures are somewhat meaningful)

Sire Total Prizemoney Runners Average Prizemoney/Runner

Aston Dee Bee $9,415,927 943 $9,985.08
Fernando Bale $21,561,287 2506 $8,603.87
Feral Franky $1,030,528 122 $8,446.95
Aussie Infrared $2,281,146 273 $8,355.85
Aston Kimetto $991,158 126 $7,866.33
Beast Unleashed $783,908 106 $7,395.36
Allen Deed $1,120,126 156 $7,180.29
Zipping Garth $1,961,820 274 $7,159.93
Raw Ability $1,002,255 141 $7,108.19
Barcia Bale $10,440,006 1489 $7,011.42
Dyna Villa $1,251,938 183 $6,841.19
Orson Allen $2,879,315 424 $6,790.84
Collision $1,563,587 232 $6,739.60
Keybow $1,587,525 237 $6,698.42
My Redeemer $3,890,726 583 $6,673.63
Spring Gun $1,406,501 213 $6,603.29
Zambora Brockie $4,177,348 703 $5,942.17
Kinloch Brae $2,057,742 353 $5,829.30
My Bro Fabio $2,424,851 463 $5,237.26
Mepunga Blazer $3,085,159 608 $5,074.27
Walk Hard $573,633 114 $5,031.87
Sh Avatar $820,658 164 $5,004.01
Bernardo $1,031,586 213 $4,843.13
Unlawful Entry $643,490 134 $4,802.16
Worm Burner $1,342,858 283 $4,745.08
Ritza Lenny $676,170 143 $4,728.46
Fabregas $2,641,491 562 $4,700.16
Oaks Road $464,043 100 $4,640.43
Ando's Mac $585,543 127 $4,610.57
Dyna Double One $2,289,656 501 $4,570.17
Magic Sprite $1,356,221 304 $4,461.25
Blazin' Bomber $506,005 118 $4,288.18
Cosmic Rumble $1,468,373 349 $4,207.37
Moreira $946,763 229 $4,134.34
Sennachie $590,170 145 $4,070.14
Banjo Boy $688,440 202 $3,408.12
El Grand Senor $346,268 110 $3,147.89

The newer kids on the block like Aussie Infrared, Beast Unleashed, Aston Kimetto and Feral Franky are really making their mark base don that analysis

Fernando is right up there and staggering considering the numbers that is average is so high

Aston Dee Bee is the daddy of them all and his average is greater than Fernando by approx $1,300 per runner with 927 progeny and seems to justify the reason why he is in such high demand



Mark Staines
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04 Sep 2022 22:58


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Zipping Garth keeps pumping out winners and at $2200 is good value !

Aussie Infrareds first pups were whelped Jan 2018 hardly a new kid on the block !



Paul Dicks
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05 Sep 2022 04:29


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Aussie Infrared only got a couple of bitches a month for the first couple of years. His second and more substantial crop came from how good the early litters went. It's probably fair to compare him to the younger sires listed.


Mark Staines
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05 Sep 2022 05:13


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His oldest Pups are 4.75 years old !
No it's not fair at all !


Michael Fitzgerald
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05 Sep 2022 05:36


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I hate to bore you all into unconsciousness with more stats, but I've paid attention to what each of you has written, and I've produced a listing of sires' progeny (based on metro earnings) in line with Sandro's earlier reference to needing 100 individual pups to show a true picture of a sire's relative performance.

Per Dog (Rank) Per Start (Rank)
Fernando Bale $ 7,385 (3) $ 952 (5)
Aston Dee Bee $ 11,207 (1) $1,404 (2)
Barcia Bale $ 7,037 (4) $1,012 (3)
My Redeemer $ 6,187 (5) $ 754 (8)
Zambora Brockie $ 4,992 (8) $ 873 (7)
My Bro Fabio $ 5,679 (7) $ 712 (9)
Mepunga Blazer $ 4,035 (11) $ 961 (4)
Aussie Infrared $ 7,934 (2) $1,562 (1)
Fabregas $ 3,786 (13) $ 566 (11)
Dyna Double One $ 4,289 (9) $ 703 (10)
Orson Allen $ 3,981 (12) $ 545 (12)
Collision $ 6,114 (6) $ 882 (6)
Worm Burner $ 4,122 (10) $ 530 (13)
Cosmic Rumble $ 3,292 (15) $ 432 (=14)
Magic Sprite $ 3,422 (14) $ 432 (=14)

Newbies with Fewer than 100 individual Metro Starters
(No. of Individual dogs and total starts in brackets)

Zipping Garth $ 5,742 (87) $ 1,051 (475)
Out of Range $10,637 (37) $ 1,376 (286)
Feral Franky $ 8,454 (42) $ 1,339 (265)
West On Augie $15,785 (21) $ 1,167 (284)
Sennachie $ 3,505 (63) $ 738 (299)
Raw Ability $ 4,367 (48) $ 948 (221)
Moreira $ 2,733 (91) $ 724 (455)
Beast Unleashed $ 3,877 (43) $ 748 (223)




Mark Staines
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05 Sep 2022 05:48


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Thanks Michael !


Paul Dicks
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He is going really well but I'd imagine She's a Pearl would have greatly improved the prizemoney statistics for Aston Dee Bee.


Paul Dicks
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05 Sep 2022 06:43


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Mark Staines wrote:

His oldest Pups are 4.75 years old !
No it's not fair at all !

Why are you always angry!!!
Why do you always have to shout!!!


Sandro Bechini
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05 Sep 2022 23:09


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Paul Dicks wrote:

He is going really well but I'd imagine She's a Pearl would have greatly improved the prizemoney statistics for Aston Dee Bee.

Aston Dee Bee is the daddy of them all and his average is greater than Fernando by approx $1,300 per runner with 927 progeny and seems to justify the reason why he is in such high demand

Even if you took the $1 million off his total progeny earnings that would equate to $1,078 per dog (i.e. $1m divided by 927)

He is still over $200 per dog higher in averages per dog than Fernando Bale

A pretty classy sire in my book....its a shame he is only available for limited services



Hayden Gilders
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just as well these figures arn`t on the goat thread, the goatees would have the cross ready at the bottom of calvary. Blasphemy will not be tolerated


Paul Dicks
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06 Sep 2022 03:29


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"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

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