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Maureen Day United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 1831 Dogs 23 / Races 2 06 Apr 2008 16:46
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gerard costello wrote:
AG IS RUINING THIS FORUM AND IS MOST UNHELPFUL WHEN HE DELETES SUBJECTS OR PUPS FOR SALE ETC AS HE HAS DONE TO ME IN PAST I RARELY GET INVOLVED IN FORUM NOW EXCEPT ODD BREEDING THREAD THIS IS BECOMING NOTICABLE ON ANY HALF CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT AS I HAVE NOTICED WITH WAYNE MC CARTHY, MUGS AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS TO NUMEROUS TO MENTION THREAD SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED
I agree 100% with everything you have posted Gerard especially about Andy and about the thread being allowed to continue.
It was, however, Andr that deleted the thread, not Andy.
When is the ruling on this thread going to be made GD Admin?
The new track in Limerick will be built the way ye are going!
Get of the fence and make a decision, its not that hard!
Den
André Maritz South Africa (Verified User) Posts 10388 Dogs 137 / Races 363 07 Apr 2008 06:16
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The GD Team is unfortunately not around a single table in a single boardroom. We are all over the world in different time zones, with other responsibilities. A decision will therefore, take a bit more time.
The GD Team is unfortunately not around a single table in a single boardroom. We are all over the world in different time zones, with other responsibilities. A decision will therefore, take a bit more time.
I dont buy that for a minute, global business thrives each and every minute with people thousands of miles apart, why cause they are empowered to use their intellegience and make decisions on their own. If one person can remove a thread one person should be able to put it back up.
The removal of the thread didnt require all and sundry to be involved in the decision it seems.!
Den
André Maritz South Africa (Verified User) Posts 10388 Dogs 137 / Races 363 07 Apr 2008 07:25
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Maybe that is the problem Den. GD is NOT a global business. Each and every one of us working in this site do it on a volunteer basis, free of charge. We have other responsibilities. We do not get paid, especially not overtime.
The thing is, I removed the thread as I believed it was the right thing to do. I used my intelligence to do that as suggested by you. The fact that I did so, therefore differing from your opinion, does not mean you or I are more or less intelligent, or are you suggesting that? I am empowered to do so by the way GD is managed. One person can put it back. Gunnar. He is obviously not available at present. Maybe he is at his day job, earning a living to enable him to run this website, amongst other things (dogs, horses, family, wife, children) in his spare time.
As I wrote in my very first post, please be patient.
I understand GD is not a business and only used that as an analogy on how decisions are made at a quick pace.
The problem i see currently with GD is just about nearly every time something comes up on here about IGB or comes across anyway controversial about the Irish greyhound industry its pulled. There has been numerous other threads where worst accusations and venom is exchanged between parties both nothing happens them.
Gabriel (a fellow moderator) started the post now i presume he is working of similar method of GD Management rules and i cannot understand why it was not left to him to manage, given that he is closer to the issue as he is in Ireland.
This thread is not deteriorating its just getting frustrating, and the reason is this is another issue not being discussed will be forgotten and once again the 'heart and soul' of the industry in Ireland continues to be snubbed by the powers that control it.
Anyways the details will be in public domain in near future so I hope Gunnar can cast his decision before then. I will leave it at that for now as 'i fear i protest too much'!
Gabriel made some serious allegations in his post and I presume that because he is a moderator - he has been asked to back up his statements to the G-Data team before they allow this post to go live.
I think this is fair enough when you consider that a couple of year ago Gabriel set up 'Greyhound Task Force' making similiar statements about the IGB when Pascal Taggart was in charge. Some time later he appeared to do a complete u-turn and has been a big fan of P.Taggart's board ever since.
So the way I see it is if we dont see his post again it means that he couldnt back up his post to the G-Data team.
kieran , i would like to clarify my position with gabriel brown . gabriel nearly drove me to distraction by printing seriously untrue statements on various internet sites . what he did not know was that he was being fed lies by influenchial people close to him . purely by accident he was invited by frank o ' connell to a meeting in 104 henry street . he was given access to all the senior staff as well as frank , richard o ' regan and myself .. he was encouraged to question all present on every story that he wanted clarified . in my opinion gabriel is an extremely inteligent person who spends far too much time worrying about greyhound matters . after many hours of hard questioning he realised he had been duped .from then on i have to say that he checks every story rigorously before going to print . i was very sceptical about his lifford story but this morning he has faxed to me the original letters which totally prove his story . i do not know where this leaves greyhound data but gabriel brown has proved his point . BY THE WAY WAS I RELIEVED TO GET GABRIEL BROWN OFF MY BACK .
André Maritz South Africa (Verified User) Posts 10388 Dogs 137 / Races 363 07 Apr 2008 10:38
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Hi Paschal,
I am happy to see you. I would like to ask you a question, if I may? In your opinion (especially from an Irish perspective), where does the value of Greyhound Data lay?
- The Breed Database containing information on over 1.2 million dogs? - The Race Database containing information on over 1.3 million races? - The Video library containing thousands of race videos? - The Greyhound Knowledge Forum?
Sean Devine Ireland (Verified User) Posts 635 Dogs 12 / Races 4 07 Apr 2008 11:11
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Andre
Your question to Pascal is away off topic or is there some sort of threat behind your questioning. Everyone agrees that this site has excellent data so l cannot understand your line of questioning under this topic.
I think what Andre is saying is that Greyhound data need a working relationship with the IGB in order to maintain the Irish data in greyhound data.
Pascal
Fair enough with regard to Gabby. If this is the case then his post should be put back. If the powers that be pull the information on here enjoyed by the grass roots dog people in Ireland then it is up to us to put the pressure on the IGB to keep the data available.
We should also be getting accurate sire stats ie. a sires open class winners compared to the number of offspring of racing age - so that breeders know when they are paying for the No3 sire that they are getting him. No other industry would put up with this lack of information.
The forecast doesnt look good for the greyhound industry into the future.
andre , i believe the greyhound data website is world class and is a credit to everyone involved . as i have stated before i am a chairman and director of many companies and none of them have as good a website . even though i do not like to admit it , it was always streets ahead of the boards website despite us spending hundreds of thousands of euros over the years . by the way i was the first to give you the videos many years ago , and as chairman i could see the enormous benefit of having a first class relationship with yourselves . now to answer your question : i believe that all four strands are equally important . the fist three are working perfectly although certain english tracks are not as enthousiastic about videos and information as i would be which is their perogative . i have to presume that your real question is about the greyhound data forum or as you call it the greyhound knowledge forum . i consider the forum as a great way to keep up to date with the world greyhound scene . in particular i love reading the goings on in ireland and the u .k . of course you are going to get some abusive comment from time to time but in my opinion it is very infrequent , and most threads are very balanced and are a very good read . should the board be criticised if they deserve it ? of course . equally should they be praised if they deserve it ? of course . i also believe the board should comment on greyhound data where they know false information is being posted . as i have already indicated in previous threads i believe that all tracks and local greyhound associations should use the forum to inform the general public and promote free of charge the greyhound industry . do you need moderators ? definitely to keep out the small number of foul mouthed and inaccurate contributions . should gabriel browns thread have been taken down ? . probably not as the lifford question is one of the most important greyhound questions in the last ten years and all sides should be given total access to express their views . i know gabriel is a lifford supporter through and through but looking at the information he has forwarded to me the duffys have been treated disgracefully . of course it is only one side of the story , i also have cathal curley bending my ear and as anyone who knows him he can be very loud and persuasive . for anyone who does not know cathal was a world champion at motor car rallying , seved as a board member for ten years ,is a current director of lifford and is a very close friend of mine . i would love for the board to take the opportunity to answer gabriel brown on the forum .from my experience all documentation eventually gets there anyway and with gabriel and cathal involved it is twenty to one on to get there .
andre i appreciate the fact that i have gone on and on but i hope i have answered your question fully and truthfully . keep up the good work best regards paschal
p . s .now we dont have the greyhound weekly it is imperative that the greyhound data forum is allowed to air all matters of interest within reason .
Surely - if Gabriel has proved his point to Paschal, and would be willing to provide the same evidence to Greyhound Data, the original topic should be restored and an acknowledgment made by any of us who demanded Gabriel should 'put up or shut up'?
You can be certain that the 'special relationship' between the IGB and the Sporting Press, will guarantee that this subject will be buried within Ireland. But not outside it! This whole episode smells rotten to the core.
One last question for Paschal - if you had been aware of the likelihood of Lifford closing by horse racing being favoured over dog racing, would you have sanctioned the joint venture at Dundalk during your time as IGB chairman?
floyd , you have hit the nail on the head as usual . if i had envisaged that dundalk horseracing would close lifford there is no way that i would sanction sunday racing in dundalk . i have a very high opinion of jim martin the managing director of dundalk and i consider him to be a good friend of mine . what is being proposed for sunday greyhound racing in both dundalk and lifford is extremely stupid and devisive in my opinion , and will definitely not work commercially for either track . there is a far better compromise to be agreed for all concerned but the horseracing authority has to play their part . after all there would have been no allweather horse track without the irish greyhound board . i certainly have to agree that the sporting press will not cover this very important mater in an independant way or in a comprehensive way . i would be delighted to be proved wrong . regards paschal
Excuse me guys but can I offer tuppence worth here.... Could the track management from Dundalk and Lifford meet and agree a schedule to suit both tracks ? Let it be alternate Sundays or a schedule to accomodate large stakes that would require consecutive Sundays for either track. There must be a bit of give and take here guys. You aren t doing too badly if you are getting 2 Sunday nights a month aswell as 2 nights a week. Perhaps a couple of extra races on racenights would lessen the impact on the greyhound owner at either track to ensure that there were races for their dogs. I understand the board may have made a statement on this subject previously that people feel they should stand over and thats fair enough but it looks like something is going to have to give here..... PS ... I have no involvement with the board nor am I in any way connected with either track
Paschal there are quite a few that wont come on data anymore could you please visit Greyhoundnuts and give your opinion. Andre i know your going to be p****d off that i said it , but most would like to here Paschals view and they wont come back on here.
In my experience, you cannot chop and change with racedays. Punters are habitual creatures. Okay, maybe a couple of special meetings a year at Dundalk and cancel Lifford for those nights. More than that and it doesn't work for either track.
Anyway, my understanding is the Lifford management are outraged at being dictated to by the IGB, who appear to have forgotten who it is that they are there to represent. There are a great many livelihoods at stake.
If the matter is not resolved, I will be delighted to offer the Lifford management the opportunity to express their views on the front page of the next Greyhound Star.
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